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re: If were going to talk about "mass shootings", then context is important.
Posted on 8/4/19 at 4:46 pm to Pandy Fackler
Posted on 8/4/19 at 4:46 pm to Pandy Fackler
CNN does no such thing.
Let me help you out since it appears you aren't actually going to post any useful, objective information about this topic.
FBI Report: Active Shooter Incidents in the US in 2018
FBI: Active Shooter Incidents in the US in 2016 - 2017
FBI Study of Pre-Attack Behaviors of Active Shooters from 2000 - 2013
FBI: School Shooter: Threat Assessment Perspective
Mass Victimization: Promising Avenues for Prevention
Maybe you and others will take a few hours to read these and then you can begin to understand how enormously complex the phenomena is.
Let me help you out since it appears you aren't actually going to post any useful, objective information about this topic.
FBI Report: Active Shooter Incidents in the US in 2018
FBI: Active Shooter Incidents in the US in 2016 - 2017
FBI Study of Pre-Attack Behaviors of Active Shooters from 2000 - 2013
FBI: School Shooter: Threat Assessment Perspective
Mass Victimization: Promising Avenues for Prevention
Maybe you and others will take a few hours to read these and then you can begin to understand how enormously complex the phenomena is.
Posted on 8/4/19 at 4:46 pm to Pandy Fackler
Getting off subject. You can throw all the numbers you want. The truth is, laws don’t stop violence. Period. It provides a legal consequence, not a deterrant. Taking away people’s means to defend themselves, leaves them exposed to bad elements.
Posted on 8/4/19 at 4:46 pm to DeafJam73
I guess we lead different lives. I don't worry about gang bangers and "bad guys" coming to my house. If they do, we have 3 shotguns at our disposal for protection. If you want an AK-47 because you're afraid Jose from MS13 is gonna barge through your door, perhaps you should consider moving.
Posted on 8/4/19 at 4:47 pm to Pandy Fackler
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Suicide by gunfire is gun violence.
Have you ever seen a suicide, ever worked a suicide? Guns, blades, ropes, or ODs equal the same end results.
Including suicides is a way to bump up the numbers.
Posted on 8/4/19 at 4:49 pm to helluvaday
quote:What if I want it for hunting deer and pigs? I, and many of my friends, DO use AR rifles (different calibers) for that purpose.Especially pigs since there is no limit when you run up on a big sounder of them.
. If you want an AK-47 because you're afraid Jose from MS13 is gonna barge through your door, perhaps you should consider moving.
Posted on 8/4/19 at 4:50 pm to helluvaday
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I guess we lead different lives. I don't worry about gang bangers and "bad guys" coming to my house. If they do, we have 3 shotguns at our disposal for protection. If you want an AK-47 because you're afraid Jose from MS13 is gonna barge through your door, perhaps you should consider moving.
You’re not even making a valid point as to why I have to surrender mine. Just because you don’t have a need for one? Okay, great. Liberty is a two way street. I have the right to own one the same way you have a right to not own one if those are our choices.
Posted on 8/4/19 at 4:51 pm to helluvaday
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I guess we lead different lives. I don't worry about gang bangers and "bad guys" coming to my house. If they do, we have 3 shotguns at our disposal for protection. If you want an AK-47 because you're afraid Jose from MS13 is gonna barge through your door, perhaps you should consider moving.
Do you think everyone has the money to move? Just because you aren't comfortable with a particular rifle, it doesn't mean his rights should be limited by your feelings.
Posted on 8/4/19 at 4:52 pm to CelticDog
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join a
Militia
10 USC 311:
quote:
§311 . Militia: composition and classes (a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard. (b) The classes of the militia are-
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.
Also from v. Heller 2008:
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The Supreme Court held:[47]
(1) The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home. Pp. 2–53. (a) The Amendment’s prefatory clause announces a purpose, but does not limit or expand the scope of the second part, the operative clause. The operative clause’s text and history demonstrate that it connotes an individual right to keep and bear arms. Pp. 2–22. (b) The prefatory clause comports with the Court’s interpretation of the operative clause. The “militia” comprised all males physically capable of acting in concert for the common defense. The Antifederalists feared that the Federal Government would disarm the people in order to disable this citizens’ militia, enabling a politicized standing army or a select militia to rule. The response was to deny Congress power to abridge the ancient right of individuals to keep and bear arms, so that the ideal of a citizens’ militia would be preserved. Pp. 22–28. (c) The Court’s interpretation is confirmed by analogous arms-bearing rights in state constitutions that preceded and immediately followed the Second Amendment. Pp. 28–30. (d) The Second Amendment’s drafting history, while of dubious interpretive worth, reveals three state Second Amendment proposals that unequivocally referred to an individual right to bear arms. Pp. 30–32. (e) Interpretation of the Second Amendment by scholars, courts and legislators, from immediately after its ratification through the late 19th century also supports the Court’s conclusion. Pp. 32–47. (f) None of the Court’s precedents forecloses the Court’s interpretation. Neither United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U. S. 542, nor Presser v. Illinois, 116 U. S. 252, refutes the individual-rights interpretation. United States v. Miller, 307 U. S. 174, does not limit the right to keep and bear arms to militia purposes, but rather limits the type of weapon to which the right applies to those used by the militia, i.e., those in common use for lawful purposes.
Bolded so the resident mouth breather can understand easier.
Posted on 8/4/19 at 4:54 pm to Geauxtiga
What if? What if? What ifs are abundant. You can still hunt pigs without an AR. Your ability to hunt is not gone because your preferred weapon is no longer available to purchase.
I'm not anti-gun. As mentioned, we own 3 in our household. I just don't think the guns mentioned here are necessary to own.
I'm not anti-gun. As mentioned, we own 3 in our household. I just don't think the guns mentioned here are necessary to own.
Posted on 8/4/19 at 4:56 pm to helluvaday
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I'm not anti-gun. As mentioned, we own 3 in our household. I just don't think the guns mentioned here are necessary to own.
None are necessary to own. Maybe we can outlaw my pocket knife like the Brits too.
Posted on 8/4/19 at 4:57 pm to helluvaday
So? Are you saying that those types of weapons should be illegal because you don’t think they’re necessary? We all own many things that aren’t necessary.
Posted on 8/4/19 at 4:57 pm to Pandy Fackler
Trump has already shown he does not care about the 2nd Amendment or Constitution with the violation of the Takings Clause without just compensation and retroactive ban on bump stocks. ARs are next and will be banned without compensation based on improper interpretation of a law from the 1930s. Turn them in or you are a felon. It’s coming, especially if the next president is a Democrat, but likely even under President Trump based on his unconstitutional precedent. Even Presidents Clinton and Obama were not that egregious in violations of the Second Amendment.
Posted on 8/4/19 at 4:58 pm to fallguy_1978
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None are necessary to own. Maybe we can outlaw my pocket knife like the Brits too.
Aren’t the British experiencing a record number of stabbings?
Posted on 8/4/19 at 4:59 pm to go ta hell ole miss
Trump won’t pass a ban. That is a certified way to lose reelection.
Posted on 8/4/19 at 5:00 pm to DeafJam73
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Aren’t the British experiencing a record number of stabbings?
Yes.
Hopefully, they ban stabbings next. That'll solve the problem.
Posted on 8/4/19 at 5:00 pm to DeafJam73
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Aren’t the British experiencing a record number of stabbings?
Yeah, my Benchmade in my pocket right now is a felony there. To be fair, violent crime is lower in England and it absolutely will be in a countries that don't have weapons access. I'm willing to live with it too.
Posted on 8/4/19 at 5:03 pm to fallguy_1978
And violent crime as a whole has gone down in the US as well. It doesn’t seem that way because 24 hour news coverage sensationalizes everything non-stop.
Posted on 8/4/19 at 5:07 pm to JohnnyT
Notice the uptick since social media became a prominent part of our lives.
Posted on 8/4/19 at 5:08 pm to helluvaday
Cars aren’t necessary either, yet they kill more people than guns do every year in the US. That’s including suicide as well. You have multiple options to travel, so you need to get rid of your motor vehicles. You’re obviously a part of the problem if you’re still driving around.
Posted on 8/4/19 at 5:09 pm to helluvaday
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