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Posted on 6/13/19 at 8:25 am to bfniii
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it's not "my argument." i am stating facts, i.e. win/loss records at the cws, cws appearances and championships.
You fail to understand that the teams you listed ahead of LSU don't all fall under this criteria. UCLA,UVA,osu,etc don't have more cws appearances than LSU over the last 10 years and some don't have any championships either. That's why I ask what your criteria is for a better overall program. If you want to use CWS wins then that's why I gave you an example with Fla St. You can't always go by that because they aren't viewed by logical college baseball fans as a better program then ones with titles. Do you get it now ?
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what does this even mean?
I just explained it
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i am posting the fact that those programs i listed have at least as many cws appearances as lsu, at least as many cws wins, at least as many championships yet, have a lesser investment in the sport. in some cases significantly less. you seem to be unaware of the list i have been posting for the last few years.
But that's completely false. I just told you why. Go look up the results. Stop lying.
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so you're arguing with facts? are you stupid or do you just not know the facts? lsu has not surpassed those teams in cws results over the last several seasons. that is not an opinion. you are wrong.
I can't really argue with a person that cant comprehend simple questions. Are cws results wins? championships? or apprearances? Again because all of those teams are not ahead of lsu in every category but keep making shite up. You must not even read your own post or understand the so called "facts" you post.
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again, factually wrong
You are delusional. I really don't know any other way to put it. If you want to say the last few years that's fine but in PM overall tenure its absolutely false.
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so bball teams that make the final four is meaningless because they didn't play for the nc. my word. everyone is "playing for the title" once the regionals start.
I am the stupid one yet you are comparing two completely different sports? got it. Lol everyone is not in the title game in the regional, are you fricking dumb? Read what I said slowly
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it means they've been more consistently successful which isn't helping your case at all.
You define success as just going to the CWS? because they haven't won shite in the CWS and they have the same amount of appearances in the last decade. See how you move the goalpost? You cant decide what criteria you want to use. You are the only person I have ever heard say Fla St is better than a program that has 6 national titles. Unfricking real
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you're missing the point. fsu is just ONE program that has invested less than lsu but has equaled lsu's cws results over the last several seasons.
I'm not missing anything. LSU has invested more and has accomplished more than FSU...way more. I can't even believe we are having this discussion.
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one of them, yes. absolutely. who would NOT consider that a benchmark?
Again if that's your benchmark then more than half of the teams you listed cant touch LSU in terms of appearances. frick you are like talking to a child.
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you are calling fsu the most underachieving program? holy cow. that is asinine
One of them absolutely and I can promise you just about every college baseball fan out there will tell you that. You don't go to the CWS 17 times and not come home with a title. That's fricking underachieving at its greatest. FSU has had some great teams. For example LSU has been to the CWS 18 times and won 6. OSU has been 7 times and won 3. UVA has been 4 times and actually have a national title. FSU hasn't done shite. They choke in the CWS. The whole reason you are talking shite about LSU is the same thing FSU has done but MORE times and that CHOKE. You are a fricking hypocrite and keep moving the goalpost.
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really? explain it. this ought to be interesting.
What's understood doesn't need to be explained but i'll do it anyway for you retard boy. ROI means you are getting back what you put in. Overall success in no way equates to that. You can not get back what you put in but have more overall success. LSU has more overall success than just about every program but their ROI isn't as high. Do you not know what your arguing? This is comical.
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and who would that be?
Read your 2nd link genius. Vandy is damn near the same in terms of spending and have the exact same accomplishments as LSU(unless they win it all this year). 4 CWS appearances, 1 title , 1 runner up in the last decade. But I bet you wish we had Vandy's success huh?
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you mean other than the list i've already been posting which shows that you are definitively wrong?
You are a complete clown, You don't even read your own links
This post was edited on 6/13/19 at 8:29 am
Posted on 6/13/19 at 10:02 am to Howyouluhdat
quote:i didn't say they did. i said they are getting a better roi, and they are. ucla, uva and osu have the same number of appearances as lsu in that time. all 3 have a nc and lsu does not. what is the comparison of lsu's investment in the sport compared to those 3 schools? lsu's is significantly more.
UCLA,UVA,osu,etc don't have more cws appearances than LSU over the last 10 years
quote:which didn't work
If you want to use CWS wins then that's why I gave you an example with Fla St.
quote:i asked you for substantiation of this. you are just throwing around subjective words. i am posting facts. big difference
they aren't viewed by logical college baseball fans as a better program then ones with titles
quote:what you said was nonsense
I just explained it
quote:and you are wrong.
But that's completely false
quote:i already have looked it up and i have been posting the list for years. apparently you are ignorant
Go look up the results. Stop lying
quote:i have included all 3 in the list. again, it seems like you are unaware of the list. perhaps if you educated yourself, you would understand
Are cws results wins? championships? or apprearances?
quote:no it's not. someone included the '09 seasons and it STILL didn't put pm at the top. it did move him a little closer. you're acting like you don't know the running conversation that's been going for several years. we've already covered all this ground before
in PM overall tenure its absolutely false
quote:it's called an analogy. the similarity is that both sports have a robust postseason playoff. i realize this might be going over your head
you are comparing two completely different sports?
quote:i never said that. you made the idiotic statements that making the cws without playing for the championship is meaningless and that making the cws is not playing for the title unless you're in the championship series. you should stop commenting on this topic. you are all over the place.
everyone is not in the title game in the regional
quote:you can't even reproduce what is being said. there's no reason to think you can generate a cogent response. are you still in middle school? seriously, how old are you? tell me you're in middle school. i'll buy that.
You define success as just going to the CWS?
quote:so here is one of the pm defender's greatest hits. pm can't be expected to win it all but other programs "suck" because they didn't win it all or win it all enough; fsu, fla, vandy, etc. i realize you can't see that's a rhetorical fallacy called special pleading
they haven't won shite in the CWS
quote:i'm using the exact same criteria i've been using for 3 years now. i'm sorry you don't understand that. i've been posting the exact same info all this time. you've asked for it and i've provided it. either you're really young or especially thick headed
You cant decide what criteria you want to use
quote:quote where i said this
You are the only person I have ever heard say Fla St is better than a program that has 6 national titles
quote:not at the cws in the last 10 seasons. you are factually wrong. fsu has 4 appearances. lsu has 3. if fsu wins 1 game, they will equal lsu's win total in that time frame. again, you are patently wrong on this matter. and this is what usually happens. people scoff at certain programs (the list rotates between vandy, ark, fla and now you with fsu) but then i post the numbers and there's a freakout
LSU has invested more and has accomplished more than FSU...way more
quote:you are factually wrong on this account. it's like you aren't even aware of reality. in this response, i have listed 4 that have the same number of appearances. we can even list the years and the win totals if you like.
more than half of the teams you listed cant touch LSU in terms of appearances
quote:this is more subjective, fan based, internet message board, water cooler talk. i am posting hard numbers.
One of them absolutely and I can promise you just about every college baseball fan out there will tell you that
quote:someone did
You don't go to the CWS 17 times and not come home with a title
quote:that's your OPINION. and a stupid one
That's fricking underachieving at its greatest
quote:i have not done this once. i have posted win/loss records. i'm sorry you don't like facts.
you are talking shite about LSU
quote:what does this have to do with anything? the conversation is about pm, not programs' all time records. you are completely lost in this conversation. pm has not been to the cws 18 times. good grief
LSU has been to the CWS 18 times and won 6. OSU has been 7 times and won 3. UVA has been 4 times and actually have a national title
quote:you've got to be in middle school. this is the stupidest thing i have read on this board in a while. roi is success halfwit. you are comparing what you put in/get out in relation to what everyone else is putting in/getting out. try to follow this, if you're putting in less but winning more, you're having more success than your peers. you beat out teams that invested more heavily. now extrapolate this over several years. you are the more successful program. lsu is the converse. lsu has been investing more but getting surpassed by several teams. lsu is not the more successful program. an athletic director is looking at roi. it's why some programs get cancelled sometimes. the roi isn't there. they aren't getting a return commensurate with their investment in the sport. it's partially why coaches get fired or retained. miles wasn't winning enough commensurate with lsu's investment in the sport. i realize this might be a new concept for you but, it's how ad's operate.
ROI means you are getting back what you put in. Overall success in no way equates to that. You can not get back what you put in but have more overall success. LSU has more overall success than just about every program but their ROI isn't as high. Do you not know what your arguing? This is comical.
quote:they are not spending "nearly" the same and i haven't only looked at spending. i have also referred to facilities, fan support, everything across the board. vandy does not equal lsu in all regards. yet, vandy has 4 appearances (11/14/15/17), lsu has 3 (13/15/17). vandy has 11 wins, lsu has 5. vandy has a nc. lsu does not. there's no way you can look at those numbers and think lsu is on equal footing with vandy. vandy is the better program.
Vandy is damn near the same in terms of spending and have the exact same accomplishments as LSU(unless they win it all this year). 4 CWS appearances, 1 title , 1 runner up in the last decade.
listen, even if lsu and vandy were equal in investment, vandy is getting the better return. they are winning more at a higher level than lsu. it's brute fact. they have more wins on more appearances and a nc. this season, the win/loss gap might even widen. they are maintaining that level of success. lsu is not at that level.
admittedly, on a national scale, lsu is very close to vandy. nearly the same level of success. but there's no doubt that lsu has invested significantly more in the sport yet is being superseded. the question is why some lsu fans are ok with that.
quote:uh absolutely. i would take that in a heartbeat. they are significantly better.
But I bet you wish we had Vandy's success huh?
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