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bubbz
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re: I keep seeing Sully's name tossed around
Well if it means significant outperform by having a team with 10 major leaguers on it that couldn’t win a championship, then yea, but I would call that underachieving.

Don’t get me wrong, PM has underachieved in a few seasons as well, but to say Sully has significantly outperformed PM is laughable. Just look at this season, Florida was preseason top 5 and won 1 game in a regional before being eliminated.

When was the last time LSU won 1 game in a regional?

Even Kendall Rogers himself admitted how bad they missed on Florida this season.
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LSUAlum2001
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re: I keep seeing Sully's name tossed around
I’d look at the Texas Tech or Louisville coaches before Sullivan.

Those guys are winning in non-traditional NCAA baseball locations.


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josh336
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re: I keep seeing Sully's name tossed around
2010. But trust me, i get your point


TexTgrTed
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re: I keep seeing Sully's name tossed around
Think LSU won 1 game in 2018 OSU regional.


TigerCub
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re: I keep seeing Sully's name tossed around
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and yet lsu outspends fla by A LOT so....


Any numbers to back this up?


josh336
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re: I keep seeing Sully's name tossed around
We won 2 games in the 2018 regional


bubbz
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re: I keep seeing Sully's name tossed around
We beat SDSU and NW St in that regional.


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bfniii
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re: I keep seeing Sully's name tossed around
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The words significantly outperform is a pretty big stretch by most expert opinions
really? link? who are these people because the numbers are pretty startling

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you fail to leave out 09 when LSU won a championship. Very convenient
not this again. in response to this dumb statement, i asked for people to include '09. after 3 years, it finally happened. guess what? it didn't really change the numbers all that much, which i of course knew in advance. also, it's humorous that people who make this "cherry picking" accusation act like 10 seasons is some sort of unfair number to pm.


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bfniii
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re: I keep seeing Sully's name tossed around
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Well if it means significant outperform by having a team with 10 major leaguers on it that couldn’t win a championship, then yea, but I would call that underachieving
not this again.

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to say Sully has significantly outperformed PM is laughable
my word that's two idiotic statements. do you want to go for the trifecta?

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Florida was preseason top 5 and won 1 game in a regional before being eliminated
and i get accused of cherry picking


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bfniii
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re: I keep seeing Sully's name tossed around
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trust me, i get your point
you "get" his stupid, already refuted point?


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bfniii
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re: I keep seeing Sully's name tossed around
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Any numbers to back this up?

how many times do i have to post this? we're up to 3 different times now.


TigerCub
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re: I keep seeing Sully's name tossed around
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how many times do i have to post this? we're up to 3 different times now.


Try a fourth then. I asked you to back up the fact that we significantly invest more in our program than they do. You know with actual numbers.


bfniii
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re: I keep seeing Sully's name tossed around
like i would make that statement without substantiation. btw, you could have just checked my post history instead of trying to be etough

roi. uh oh

spending comparison. uh oh again

there's 2 of the 3 i have posted in the past

now, do you want to challenge me on facilities like project tried to do?
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bfniii
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Member since Nov 2005
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re: I keep seeing Sully's name tossed around
well this thread got quiet all the sudden.

also, lol at people who downvoted my previous post that had d.o.e. statistics in it. like i'm making it up just to be mean. ah geez


grape nutz
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re: I keep seeing Sully's name tossed around
All of a sudden.


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Howyouluhdat
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re: I keep seeing Sully's name tossed around
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well this thread got quiet all the sudden


Your point is only substantiated when comparing with UF and you have to give Sully credit he has done a hell of a job there. The rest of the list though LSU is ahead of in terms of success in PM's tenure as they should be judging by expenses so your list is just completely going against your point. LSU spends more and has accomplished more than just about all of those teams. What team on that list has done more than LSU besides UF? USC won two titles and are a complete dumpster fire now and still spend a shitload of money. Texas, A&M, FLA St all haven't done shite lately and spend a shitload as well. They waste way more money than LSU. The other link just shows what teams have the best ROI. Not who has had the most success. Let me ask you this? With LSU spending 5mil + a year what do you think would be a reasonable outcome to justify that type of spending? Omaha every year? Every other year? The reason I ask is because I don't think any team spending that kind of money can realistically accomplish what their fan base would expect of them given that kind of money. That's why a lot of schools don't do it. The ROI isn't there. With all that said though if PM doesn't put out next year he should be talked into retirement. That would be completely unacceptable. IMO next year is make or break
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bfniii
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re: I keep seeing Sully's name tossed around
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The rest of the list though LSU is ahead of in terms of success in PM's tenure as they should be judging by expenses
completely wrong. lsu is not "ahead" of ttech, vandy, ucla, uva, ucla, osu, tcu, ark, unc, fsu. now, msu stands to equal lsu's cws results over the last 10 seasons. face it, lsu is standing still while these others are continuing to perform at a higher level

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LSU spends more and has accomplished more than just about all of those teams
factually wrong

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What team on that list has done more than LSU besides UF?
i just listed them

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USC won two titles and are a complete dumpster fire now and still spend a shitload of money
notice that's not one of the teams on the list

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FLA St all haven't done shite lately
fsu has as many cws appearances over the last 9 seasons. this season, they will surpass lsu's appearances during that time span and if they win even 1 game, will equal lsu's win total. you are completely misinformed on this matter

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spend a shitload as well
see the pm defenders use these idiotic subjective terms. i posted the numbers. lsu spends WAY more than fsu. fsu is getting a better roi

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They waste way more money than LSU
link?

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The other link just shows what teams have the best ROI. Not who has had the most success
think about what you just said

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what do you think would be a reasonable outcome to justify that type of spending?
like i haven't answered this a million times over the last few years

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I don't think any team spending that kind of money can realistically accomplish what their fan base would expect of them given that kind of money
more mealy mouthed bullcrap. i am comparing ceteris parabis cws results, now over a decade. lsu is falling short of these other lesser programs. i'm sorry you don't like facts.
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Howyouluhdat
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re: I keep seeing Sully's name tossed around
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completely wrong. lsu is not "ahead" of ttech, vandy, ucla, uva, ucla, osu, tcu, ark, unc, fsu. now, msu stands to equal lsu's cws results over the last 10 seasons



Let’s gets this out of the way right now. Is your criteria for better overall programs ,CWS appearances? Championships? Or win/loss records in the CWS. You can’t group them all together to fit your argument. Those programs are not all created equal in terms of success in that regard do you understand that?. UCLA? Tech? TCU? Arky? Are you fricking kidding me? They have all had more disappointing underachieving seasons than LSU but yet you fail to mention any of them.

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factually wrong


No it’s not

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i just listed them


Those aren’t on the top ten list. You basically have a couple of schools ahead of LSU in terms of championships if you want to use that criteria ahead of LSU on that list but none of the other teams spending millions in the top ten besides UF have accomplished more so your point is being completely turned around on you. You can post CWS records all you want. I’ve told you before and I’ll tell you again, yes making the CWS is a great accomplishment but whether you go 2 & que or win 2 and then get bounced it’s fricking meaningless if your not playing for the title. How can you not understand that? I’ll give you an example. Fla St has been to the CWS 17 times and never won a title. They have more CWS wins than LSU,OSU,UVA,USC etc. Does that mean they have had more success than those teams. frick no. Hasn’t LSU and UT been overall better programs with 6 titles then FLA st? Or do you consider CWS wins the benchmark? You can’t pick and choose your argument to fit your narrative.

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notice that's not one of the teams on the list


Yes they are. Did you not read your 2nd link? South Carolina is on there and they are a damn dumpster fire.


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fsu has as many cws appearances over the last 9 seasons. this season, they will surpass lsu's appearances during that time span and if they win even 1 game, will equal lsu's win total. you are completely misinformed on this matter


So now your determining success factor is CWS appearances lol? Then the other teams you listed above can’t touch LSU in PM’s tenure. See what your doing, you keep moving the goal post and now your defending the most underachieving program in college baseball. fricking unreal. Just stop dude


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lsu spends WAY more than fsu. fsu is getting a better roi


The fact that you think going to the CWS 17 times in 40 years and coming home with zero titles is something to brag about is laughable. They are the laughing stock of the college baseball world when it comes to winning a title but keep creating a false narrative that they somehow are a better program then other teams with multiple titles and less cws wins.

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think about what you just said


Do you know what ROI means vs overall success? There’s a big difference

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like i haven't answered this a million times over the last few years


Tell me again. I want to compare the teams closest to LSU in terms of spending because I can guarantee you the results won’t be what you think.

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bfniii
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Member since Nov 2005
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re: I keep seeing Sully's name tossed around
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Is your criteria for better overall programs
i haven't gotten into that terminology no matter how badly people misrepresent my posts. i have said that those programs have surpassed lsu's cws results over the last several seasons. that is a fact. some people are ok with it and make excuses. some people are not.

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You can’t group them all together to fit your argument
it's not "my argument." i am stating facts, i.e. win/loss records at the cws, cws appearances and championships.

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Those programs are not all created equal in terms of success in that regard
what does this even mean?

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UCLA? Tech? TCU? Arky? Are you fricking kidding me? They have all had more disappointing underachieving seasons than LSU but yet you fail to mention any of them.
i am posting the fact that those programs i listed have at least as many cws appearances as lsu, at least as many cws wins, at least as many championships yet, have a lesser investment in the sport. in some cases significantly less. you seem to be unaware of the list i have been posting for the last few years.

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No it’s not
so you're arguing with facts? are you stupid or do you just not know the facts? lsu has not surpassed those teams in cws results over the last several seasons. that is not an opinion. you are wrong.

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Those aren’t on the top ten list
i am looking at roi. the programs i listed have a lesser investment yet, are at least equal to lsu's cws results over the last several years. again, those are facts.

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none of the other teams spending millions in the top ten besides UF have accomplished more
again, factually wrong

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whether you go 2 & que or win 2 and then get bounced it’s fricking meaningless if your not playing for the title
so you can't be reasoned with. that's all you had to say. your statement is completely stupid. so bball teams that make the final four is meaningless because they didn't play for the nc. my word. everyone is "playing for the title" once the regionals start.

again, i'm not trying to lock down a floor for lsu out of context. i am comparing resumes. other programs have a better resume over a long period of time.

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Does that mean they have had more success than those teams. frick no
it means they've been more consistently successful which isn't helping your case at all.

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Hasn’t LSU and UT been overall better programs with 6 titles then FLA st?
you're missing the point. fsu is just ONE program that has invested less than lsu but has equaled lsu's cws results over the last several seasons.

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You can’t pick and choose your argument to fit your narrative
i'm posting brute facts which means i don't have a "narrative."

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Yes they are. Did you not read your 2nd link? South Carolina is on there and they are a damn dumpster fire
they are not on the list i have posted of programs who have been more successful.

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So now your determining success factor is CWS appearances
one of them, yes. absolutely. who would NOT consider that a benchmark?

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you keep moving the goal post
i haven't done that one time. i have posted the exact same list for years now. it hasn't changed at all. pm defenders go ballistic over it because they think it's somehow unfair. it's just facts.

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the most underachieving program in college baseball
you are calling fsu the most underachieving program? holy cow. that is asinine

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The fact that you think going to the CWS 17 times in 40 years and coming home with zero titles is something to brag about is laughable
the fact that you are calling it laughable suggests you have some sort of mental illness

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They are the laughing stock of the college baseball world when it comes to winning a title
link?

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keep creating a false narrative that they somehow are a better program then other teams with multiple titles and less cws wins.
when did i say this? this is what always happens. when faced with the facts, go straight for the strawman. pm bot speciality

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Do you know what ROI means vs overall success? There’s a big difference
really? explain it. this ought to be interesting.

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Tell me again
given lsu's investment in the sport, lsu should be 2nd to none at the cws, especially over longer periods of time. that is not the case

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I want to compare the teams closest to LSU in terms of spending
and who would that be?

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I can guarantee you the results won’t be what you think.
you mean other than the list i've already been posting which shows that you are definitively wrong?


TexTgrTed
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Member since Aug 2004
3288 posts

re: I keep seeing Sully's name tossed around
Yeah, didn’t recall the SDSU & NSU wins as the 2 OSU losses overshadowed.


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