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Do I need a tax ID?

Posted on 4/28/19 at 6:14 pm
Posted by GAFF
Georgia
Member since Aug 2010
2711 posts
Posted on 4/28/19 at 6:14 pm
My brother in law and I started a landscaping business together. We bought some equipment to get started. Some that he purchased and some that I did. Majority of the work is done together but we do take on smaller jobs separately. I know that if you have a partnership you have to get a tax id number. What about in this instance when we operate as separate business but combined at the same time?
Posted by Mr.Perfect
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2013
17579 posts
Posted on 4/28/19 at 8:35 pm to
How do you plan to do taxes?

Do you plan to have any employees under this entity?
Posted by nugget
Abrego Garcia Fan
Member since Dec 2009
15679 posts
Posted on 4/28/19 at 9:09 pm to
Why wouldn't you set up an LLC?
Posted by GAFF
Georgia
Member since Aug 2010
2711 posts
Posted on 4/28/19 at 9:25 pm to
No employees.

Not sure how an LLC works when I’m doing combined and individual work.
Posted by FudeDude
Member since Sep 2015
8 posts
Posted on 4/28/19 at 10:15 pm to

SHORT ANSWER: YES

If you are a legitimate business you will need a Federal EIN, State Tax ID, and a Business License from your local municipality.

My brother and I equally own a business set up as a LLC. We are partners and thus legally must share all expenses and profits 50/50. It does not matter who does the actual work, it all goes into the same pot.

If you personally spend money on lawn equipment out of pocket that was not reimbursed by the company, you can claim that expense to offset taxes.

The LLC profits/losses are passed on to each partner in the company, and the individual owners are responsible for paying the income tax.

See your Secretary of State office for guidance on how to set up the LLC.

Hope this helps with your question.

Posted by MikeBRLA
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2005
17132 posts
Posted on 4/29/19 at 9:01 am to
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No employees


Are you and/or your brother paying yourselves to pay your personal bills (rent, food, etc)???

If so, then y’all are the employees of the business and need to keep company money separate from your personal money for many reasons, one of which is taxes.

It’s not as if you are truly self employed since you have a partner and y’all will have to file your personal taxes separately.
Posted by GAFF
Georgia
Member since Aug 2010
2711 posts
Posted on 4/29/19 at 10:37 am to
So I guess since we do the same jobs and only receive one payment for said job there’s no way to keep the business separate from each other. For instance when I do the jobs on my own it’s on my dime (fuel, material, etc) and when we do jobs together one of us will front the cost. When we’re paid that guy takes his cut for expenses then we split the rest. We’ve been doing this since we started at the beginning of the year and honestly we’d like to keep it this way. Simple and easy. I understand however this is probably all incorrect.

So there’s no way to keep it structured as it is for tax purposes?
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 4/29/19 at 11:17 am to
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So there’s no way to keep it structured as it is for tax purposes?





There is, but just know that book income and tax income are two different things.


Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
40292 posts
Posted on 4/29/19 at 11:19 am to
quote:

My brother in law and I started a landscaping business together.


quote:

. What about in this instance when we operate as separate business but combined at the same time?


I think you and your brother need to have a chat and figure out what it is you want to do.

You need to be in business together, or you need to have separate businesses. What you have proposed WILL result in a lot of drama in your relationship, because it's going to lead to distrust and accusations. When are you working together? When apart? Who fixes things? Who keeps the income? When do you keep a job for yourself and when does it become a partnership job?

I would recommend you form an LLC, get a tax ID, file an annual partnership return, get a checking account, and have all assets owned by the LLC.

Run all your jobs through the LLC.

If there is going to be some jobs you "split" the income/expense, and others where only one of you will get the income/expense, there are ways to handle this through the LLC. You are going to want to draft your operating agreement to allow for this, and what the "rules" are going to be for this. Basically, when allocating income, expense, and distributions, you recognize the fact that the two of you may not have equal work.

By the way, this is pretty common for law firms... a lot of law firms have partners who don't like each other / don't consider themselves in partnership together, they are just together for the name. They employ an "eat what you kill" approach that allocates income and expenses and distributions based upon your billings.
Posted by GAFF
Georgia
Member since Aug 2010
2711 posts
Posted on 4/29/19 at 5:14 pm to
Ok so say we have our own businesses but do joint work during the year. How would the taxes work on that? Would one of us have to 1099 the other at the end of the year?
Posted by MikeBRLA
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2005
17132 posts
Posted on 4/30/19 at 6:10 am to
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So I guess since we do the same jobs and only receive one payment for said job there’s no way to keep the business separate from each other.


Of course there is. Just like every other business in the world does it. When you get paid for a job the customer pays the company (GAFF Brothers Service for example). You buy gas, supplies etc with money from GAFF Brothers Service checking account. At the end of the week/month you and/or your brother pay yourselves for the work you did that week/month with money in said company checking account. Without doing this it will be impossible to account for income/expenses/taxes.

No different than say a dentist’s office operates. Do you think his patients are paying the dentist into his personal checking account and he pays his receptionist and assistants with his personal money? Of course not, money comes into and out of his business’s account.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
40292 posts
Posted on 4/30/19 at 9:54 am to
quote:

Ok so say we have our own businesses but do joint work during the year. How would the taxes work on that? Would one of us have to 1099 the other at the end of the year?


Here is how I would do it...

Customer pays company A as a contractor. Company A deducts all the expenses incurred on the job. Result is your net on that job. Company A then pays Company B half of the net as a subcontractor, and that amount is what goes on the 1099 from Company A to Company B.

Just make sure y'all have a clear, written understanding of how this works with each other. I've seen these types of deals go bad and ruin families way, way too many times, because the family members were not clear and transparent with each other.
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