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Posted on 4/9/19 at 10:58 pm to LongueCarabine
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You’re not a murder
Doesn’t change the fact that you’re still a murderer and you would know it.
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but when you throw words around like "traitor" you're being very loose with facts.
But I’m not. He, by the dictionary definition, betrayed the country he once swore he would protect. He, according to the definition of treason listed in the Constitution, took up arms and is thus a traitor. In the definition there’s not an exceptions part. The primary reason he didn’t get convicted is to heal relations. Those are the facts. Hiding behind the legal term isn’t going to change what he is.
He knew what he was doing was going against the country he once served. That’s why he was conflicted.
The problem is people like you and most of the those in this thread automatically assume traitor means bad guys. When that’s not what’s being said. This is also applies to the people on the other side of the argument (which a lot of people) that view all confederates as evil people which is extremely ignorant.
This post was edited on 4/9/19 at 11:00 pm
Posted on 4/9/19 at 11:02 pm to 1BamaRTR
A traitor, by U.S. law, is one guilty of treason. If not found legally guilty of treason, then one cannot be a traitor.
Posted on 4/9/19 at 11:04 pm to guydiamond
Go frick yourself.
Posted on 4/9/19 at 11:07 pm to 777Tiger
Sandinista, naturally.
Posted on 4/9/19 at 11:10 pm to magildachunks
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So is Stalin's life story. Doesn't mean we have to respect what he did.
Your extremely ignorant for making this comparison
Posted on 4/9/19 at 11:11 pm to jlc05
Did you just ignore everything I said? I even brought up the whole murderer gettting away with murder. Doesn’t change the fact that they’re actually still murders even though they law didn’t convict them.
And yes, what he did fits(meaning he did—raise arms against—what is considered treason) exactly what is listed in the constitution under treason. Yes, for other reasons, he wasn’t convicted so he’s legally not a traitor. But he did raise arms against the US. That’s what someone betraying their country would do.
I know it’s completely pointless arguing with any of you because you will never see him as a traitor. Doesn’t change the fact that a ton of Americans perceive him as one. Sadly they also see him as a evil person.
And yes, what he did fits(meaning he did—raise arms against—what is considered treason) exactly what is listed in the constitution under treason. Yes, for other reasons, he wasn’t convicted so he’s legally not a traitor. But he did raise arms against the US. That’s what someone betraying their country would do.
I know it’s completely pointless arguing with any of you because you will never see him as a traitor. Doesn’t change the fact that a ton of Americans perceive him as one. Sadly they also see him as a evil person.
This post was edited on 4/9/19 at 11:13 pm
Posted on 4/9/19 at 11:14 pm to slackster
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Ahh, you're a war of Northern aggression kind of guy.
Well today the narrative is the North fought the South because it was so passionate to end slavery. Yea, I’m supposed to believe a bunch of white folks from the North left their homes, risking life and limb for a bunch of black folks? I don’t buy that shite for a second. Of course ending slavery was obviously the right thing to do, but again not the true purpose of the Civil War.
Posted on 4/9/19 at 11:55 pm to Jizzy08
The north fought to keep the southern states from seceding. The southern states seceded because they thought the institution of slavery was being threatened by the north. And there were quite a few people who were passionately against slavery in thw years preceding the civil war. For the north, the war wasnt "about" slavery. For the South, it absolutely was.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 12:58 am to ElroyJetSon
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Your extremely ignorant for making this comparison
I didn't compare the two men.
Reading comprehension is severely lacking Ng on this board nowadays.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 4:09 am to 1BamaRTR
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Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort.
I know, but you have to understand, Lee and the rest of the Confederates revoked their citizenship when they seceded. So therefore, they could not have been committing treason.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 7:07 am to Darth_Vader
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Robert E. Lee was a far greater man and American that either you or I
He might have been the greatest man in history. Still a traitor.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 7:39 am to Buryl
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For the South, it absolutely was
To say it was all for slavery or nothing to do with slavery would be wrong. There were multiple reasons for secession, slavery wasn’t the only one.
This post was edited on 4/10/19 at 7:40 am
Posted on 4/10/19 at 7:42 am to Darth_Vader
frick U.S. Grant
Posted on 4/10/19 at 8:10 am to tigersownall
So salty
Posted on 4/10/19 at 8:12 am to 995webmaster
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Still a traitor.
He may of been a traitor to Lincoln's America but he was a Patriot to G. Washington's "States rights" America.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 8:22 am to Chuker
People do not understand that the Founders, in their seriously infinite wisdom in setting up a proper government for the people, believed that the Constitution was a compact between sovereign states. That the document delegated very specific, not broad, powers to the federal government.
Hell, there’s no amendment, article, or clause in the United States Constitution that says a state cannot secede. It’s a 10th amendment issue. I know that the central government of this country hates the 10th amendment and constantly disregards its purpose; but it’s pretty fricking important.
Hell, there’s no amendment, article, or clause in the United States Constitution that says a state cannot secede. It’s a 10th amendment issue. I know that the central government of this country hates the 10th amendment and constantly disregards its purpose; but it’s pretty fricking important.
This post was edited on 4/10/19 at 8:39 am
Posted on 4/10/19 at 8:23 am to Darth_Vader
What are some of your favorite books on Lee?
Posted on 4/10/19 at 8:33 am to ElroyJetSon
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What are some of your favorite books on Lee?
There’s a book that Gen. Lee’s son put out after he died called Recollections and Letters of General Robert E. Lee, very very good book and gives you a sense of the man. Most of the letters if I recall are to his family members.
There’s another good book that I’ve been meaning to get to called Lee’s Last Campaign. Goes all the way to the end of the war.
I’m not as well versed as I should be when it comes to the Civil War, Darth should be able to point you in a better direction than I.
I need to start brushing up on Civil War history, an ancestor of mine fought and was captured at Vicksburg.
This post was edited on 4/10/19 at 8:36 am
Posted on 4/10/19 at 8:49 am to TigerFanInSouthland
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TigerFanInSouthland
Thanks so much
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