re: The Case Against Adnan Syed - HBO-

I found that entire hour just absurd.

Really desperate production by HBO imo. Serial was extremely well done and had s lot of credibility, this was a pure money grab to capitalize on the popularity imo.


Well our grass expert’s results are “inconclusive”, but now he’s a tire expert too!

The sketchy guy who found the body won’t meet with us, very suspicious! But in the very next scene we are talking about how his DNA isn’t in the system so he could be the murderer!! I wonder why he won’t talk to us??

Speaking of DNA, they didn’t test this ROPE found “very close” to the body in the middle of the woods!! Very suspicious! Never mind that there isn’t any indication whatsoever from the body that rope was used in the commission of the crime either to actually strangle Hae or to bind her wrists or ankles. Because rope doesn’t leave a mark or anything right! But hey look at this mark that could clearly only be made after 8 hours! (Their timeline there was very misleading as well, the body wasn’t supposedly buried at 7 pm but hours later).


And his poor sick mother!!! We’ll spend 20 minutes of the final hour taking about this because we don’t have anything else to talk about! If I die, who will be there to visit him??? (As his brother drives mom to visit him)


Look at this dirty prosecutor who is only using this case to capitalize of the fame so he can run for States Attorney, very troubling!! Never mind that he was prosecuting this case before Serial even came out. Oh but look at this hero defense attorney who is also running for SA and tells ROLLING STONE that he doesn’t think there is enough evidence to convict, no pandering for votes there!, and look how sad we are when he loses because clearly he was a courageous and heroic soul that sees the truth!!!


I could go on and on but man what a hatchet job. Anyone who will say anything we want we will stick a camera in their face and put them on freaking HBO to become famous (including the “former campaign worker” for the prosecutor who just trashed that dude the whole time. Sure there is no backstory there ).


The two parts I found interesting were the plea deal, and Jay supposedly telling them Adnan was trying to acquire a large amount of marijuana. I’ve always found something very compelling about the theft scheme he orchestrated against his mosque, which was covered in Serial but obviously not even mentioned here (he’s a good boy, everybody likes him! He sent this girl’s kid a birthday card from prison!!). If he was trying to become acquire money to buy his way in to becoming some sort of a player or begin dealing, if Hae found out about it that could have been motive, it also could have been an act to prove he was “legit” or make his bones with Jay’s suppliers (although I doubt Jay was that connected). There is something there no doubt imo but obviously we’ll never know.


As for the plea offer, it was an astoundingly good offer and would have been absolute foolishness to turn down. I have my doubts any such offer was actually made but I guess it would make sense for the State if it meant avoiding a potential retrial, which would have been a nightmare at this point, both logistically from an evidentiary standpoint as well as from the PR standpoint.

A 17 year old serving almost 25 years wouldn’t be the worst outcome, although Hae’s family obviously wouldn’t be happy.


That whole hour I was sitting there wondering if Adnan would have actually been better off if Serial had never been done.

The way the State and police has been painted as villains and corrupt basically gives them no choice but to defend the conviction and fight at all costs to keep Adnan from becoming some martyr and wrongly persecuted hero.

Given the lack of physical evidence and the time he has served from a young age I wonder if the Courts would have found him more sympathetic and his legal arguments more valid if there wasn’t this huge outside influence coloring the case.


Like I mentioned earlier, the judicial system is supposed to be blind and impartial and nothing erodes that foundation more than outside interference. Almost all judges wang to protect that integrity of the case as presented to the jury and guided by the rules of evidence, especially at the high court level.


While the Serial phenomenon certainly had some benefit to him early on, I think the bigger it became and the more eyes watching it could have become a negative as the courts fought against the appearance of being influenced by public pressure. While Serial raised awareness and had an air of impartiality that the courts may have respected, the subsequent very slanted Undisclosed and outright attacks from major entertainment publications like Rolling Stone with a clear agenda would have the opposite effect by higher courts imo.



At the very least I doubt the State would have risked a new trial if they weren’t being called dirty and accused of framing high school kids for murder by every media outlet in the country.

I think if the legal arguments, which had some merit, were successful without the post Serial influence, guided mainly by an obsessive Rabia, the State would have been more likely to offer a deal with the Alford plea rather than pushing for the guilty plea as they supposedly ended up doing.


Again, we’ll never know, but interesting to think about. I doubt Rabia will have any such reflection on this whole process and continue to just be astonished at the dirty and prejudiced system that stole away her sweet Adnan

There had to be more to that plea deal. Even if he didn't do it what's 4 more years? Best case is he gets a new trial and that's probably 18 months to 2 years anyway.

So what?

Jay was involved in the murder and that has been proven. Jay had Adnan's cell that day, so obviously he was involved.

Loved Serial but I was pretty underwhelmed by the documentary. I love documentaries and this case is extremely intriguing but just from a film making perspective, I dont think they did a very good job with it.

The private investigators were horrible. Their dead grass research was so unbelievably stupid. Was a viewer supposed to react to a 80 year old womans memory of how the grass was in a field across the street from her 20 years ago? It was completely pointless and I would love to have seen that brought up in court

HBO didnt bring anything to the table and they were reaching bad when they tried.

The way they presented the dates was really annoying to me. They showed a date on half a screen, then fast forwarded in 4x speed to another date and gave you no time to process what the difference in dates meant bc they never showed them in calendar format only in a one angle horizontal frame. Completely useless.

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3) Jen Pusateri is a straight up meth head. She’s, what, 39? She looks 52. The videos of her in court do not look like only 20 years have passed. Edit: “At this point, weed was, like, still, really illegal...” — we had to pause the show because we were laughing too hard

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This part was absolute gold. I really like Jen Pusateri. She's my favorite person in all of this.

I was expecting better out of this documentary. I'm on episode 4 and there are 20 minutes left, and I just put it on pause, and I"m nnt even sure I'm gonna finish it.

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Given the fact that this was BLE in the late 90's/early '00 a massive conspiracy isn't as far fetched as you make it sound.

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Yes it is.

Massive conspiracies require EXTRAORDINARY competence.


A person's willingness to believe a conspiracy theory is a telling indicator of whether or not they have any damn sense.


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there is no way for her to have skipped class and passed with a B grade.

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shite, I was a king of skipping in high school and graduated magna cum laude.