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re: 737max crashes in Ethiopia. Killing 157
Posted on 3/18/19 at 12:48 pm to dallastigers
Posted on 3/18/19 at 12:48 pm to dallastigers
Do you know what time scale the x axis is on this?
Posted on 3/18/19 at 12:57 pm to upgrayedd
Seconds. Based on that headline
Posted on 3/18/19 at 1:12 pm to dallastigers
Looking at that flight data graph, I see some things that perhaps one of our resident pilots and discuss.
1. It seems that the pilots stick shaker began at the same time the plane lifted off the ground.
2. Why would the pilot retract the flaps and then extend the flaps during an indicated stall? I thought the planes configuration should not be changed until the plane is stabilized?
3. Had they left the flaps extended, mcas would have never turned on.
1. It seems that the pilots stick shaker began at the same time the plane lifted off the ground.
2. Why would the pilot retract the flaps and then extend the flaps during an indicated stall? I thought the planes configuration should not be changed until the plane is stabilized?
3. Had they left the flaps extended, mcas would have never turned on.
Posted on 3/18/19 at 4:56 pm to BHM
Airlive.net
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Boeing to rollout a software upgrade for its 737MAX on March 25
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The plane manufacturer plans to roll out a software upgrade for its 737 Max aircraft in few days. The Federal Aviation Administration is expected to sign off on Boeing’s planned changes to its anti-stall software on March 25, a source told NBC. However, the approval of the software change does not necessarily mean that the FAA’s order to ground the planes will be lifted.
Posted on 3/18/19 at 5:53 pm to When in Rome
I wish we’d get more news on what the specifics are of the software patch. Boeing really should be more open about everything that’s going on. They’ve already taken a huge PR hit.
Posted on 3/18/19 at 6:52 pm to BHM
Each aircraft, manufacturer guidance, and company AOM (manual on how to fly the plane) is different. Only way to really know the answers to your questions, is to have a 737 pilot at Ethiopian tell you. Anything else would be speculation.
Posted on 3/18/19 at 6:56 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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. Boeing really should be more open about everything that’s going on. They’ve already taken a huge PR hit.
shite, Will Wade's lawyers won't let him talk to his employer, you think Boeing's mouthpieces are going to let them say anything meaningful about this?
Posted on 3/18/19 at 6:57 pm to 777Tiger
I mean they’re gonna get the shite sued out of them anyway.
Posted on 3/18/19 at 6:58 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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I mean they’re gonna get the shite sued out of them anyway.
first step in damage control my brother
Posted on 3/18/19 at 7:32 pm to 777Tiger
Flying on a 737-900 tomorrow. Should i be worried?
Posted on 3/18/19 at 7:34 pm to 337tigergirl
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Flying on a 737-900 tomorrow. Should i be worried?
Can I have your 401k?
Posted on 3/18/19 at 7:36 pm to fallguy_1978
Haha no it is split between my mom and niece.
It’s on the United app. 737-900
It’s on the United app. 737-900
Posted on 3/18/19 at 7:39 pm to 337tigergirl
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Flying on a 737-900 tomorrow
That is the predecessor to the Max and doesn’t have the Max’s issue.
Posted on 3/18/19 at 7:42 pm to 337tigergirl
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Flying on a 737-900 tomorrow. Should i be worried?
jk, you're good
Posted on 3/18/19 at 7:45 pm to 777Tiger
Well if I’m going to die, wouldn’t want to get ready for work lol
Posted on 3/18/19 at 7:54 pm to 337tigergirl
Live fast, die young, and leave a good looking corpse?
Posted on 3/18/19 at 7:56 pm to When in Rome
Another update from Boeing CEO, Dennis Muilenburg: Boeing.com
There is also a video statement from Muilenburg if you click on the above link.
There is also a video statement from Muilenburg if you click on the above link.
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We know lives depend on the work we do, and our teams embrace that responsibility with a deep sense of commitment every day. Our purpose at Boeing is to bring family, friends and loved ones together with our commercial airplanes—safely. The tragic losses of Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302 and Lion Air Flight 610 affect us all, uniting people and nations in shared grief for all those in mourning. Our hearts are heavy, and we continue to extend our deepest sympathies to the loved ones of the passengers and crew on board.
Safety is at the core of who we are at Boeing, and ensuring safe and reliable travel on our airplanes is an enduring value and our absolute commitment to everyone. This overarching focus on safety spans and binds together our entire global aerospace industry and communities. We’re united with our airline customers, international regulators and government authorities in our efforts to support the most recent investigation, understand the facts of what happened and help prevent future tragedies. Based on facts from the Lion Air Flight 610 accident and emerging data as it becomes available from the Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302 accident, we’re taking actions to fully ensure the safety of the 737 MAX. We also understand and regret the challenges for our customers and the flying public caused by the fleet’s grounding.
Work is progressing thoroughly and rapidly to learn more about the Ethiopian Airlines accident and understand the information from the airplane’s cockpit voice and flight data recorders. Our team is on-site with investigators to support the investigation and provide technical expertise. The Ethiopia Accident Investigation Bureau will determine when and how it’s appropriate to release additional details.
Boeing has been in the business of aviation safety for more than 100 years, and we’ll continue providing the best products, training and support to our global airline customers and pilots. This is an ongoing and relentless commitment to make safe airplanes even safer. Soon we’ll release a software update and related pilot training for the 737 MAX that will address concerns discovered in the aftermath of the Lion Air Flight 610 accident. We’ve been working in full cooperation with the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration, the Department of Transportation and the National Transportation Safety Board on all issues relating to both the Lion Air and the Ethiopian Airlines accidents since the Lion Air accident occurred in October last year.
Our entire team is devoted to the quality and safety of the aircraft we design, produce and support. I’ve dedicated my entire career to Boeing, working shoulder to shoulder with our amazing people and customers for more than three decades, and I personally share their deep sense of commitment. Recently, I spent time with our team members at our 737 production facility in Renton, Wash., and once again saw firsthand the pride our people feel in their work and the pain we’re all experiencing in light of these tragedies. The importance of our work demands the utmost integrity and excellence—that’s what I see in our team, and we’ll never rest in pursuit of it.
Our mission is to connect people and nations, protect freedom, explore our world and the vastness of space, and inspire the next generation of aerospace dreamers and doers—and we’ll fulfill that mission only by upholding and living our values. That’s what safety means to us. Together, we’ll keep working to earn and keep the trust people have placed in Boeing.
Dennis
Dennis Muilenburg
Chairman, President and CEO
The Boeing Company
Posted on 3/19/19 at 12:01 am to BHM
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1. It seems that the pilots stick shaker began at the same time the plane lifted off the ground.
Almost right before lift off. It also looks like close to when the left air speed sensor started to show up and just after the movements (not angle as 20 degrees off) of the left & right AOA sensors start to sync up better.
Prior to acceleration for lift off the Left & right AOA sensor were not just off in degrees but moving differently. Not sure if initial movement was starting to taxi or initializing systems, but at first left shifts more positive while right shifts more negative (nose pitches up at same time) then after flaps deployed the left starts drifting about 10 degrees more positive while right stays same. With start of acceleration and an initial negative force on control column (I guess to keep nose down initially when speeding up for take off) the left and right AOA move in opposite directions (left decreases & right increases angle). As their changes begin to sync better, the left air speed shows up, the stick shaker begins, and then lift off occurs.
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Would the Ethiopia flight coming from airport at much higher altitude have used longer run way to gain speed and then use flaps less?
Posted on 3/19/19 at 12:22 am to When in Rome
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