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re: Jrue, Tatum, and Randle
Posted on 3/5/19 at 9:53 am to TeddyPadillac
Posted on 3/5/19 at 9:53 am to TeddyPadillac
Dude you don’t cut bait on a prospect you’ve invested a ton of time on just as he starts turning a corner. Unlike Ajinca, Diallo does some things extremely well in spurts. I’m sure people would have laughed at giving Aminu literally anything, yet he became a SF we would have loved the last 3-4 years.
It’s a risk to give him a slight deal larger than the minimum. You’re betting on him. Some of y’all are being obtuse and borderline moronic when acting like 4 fricking million is some crazy number. That’s a very friendly number where you could potentially have a player, who could outperform his deal easily, locked down for incredible value.
Having a 15 minute high energy rebounder and defender who comes in and does his job on both ends of the floor is easily worth 4 million. Let’s not forget his extremely efficient, yet still raw/unproven offensive game. This current Diallo is worth slightly more the way he’s playing. I’m buying low on a prospect who could easily outperform a deal. You’re acting like an irrational fan. The Ajinca comment is proof of that. Ajinca did very little at even an above average level. He was mediocre at best or worst in so many areas.
The guy is 22 years old and we knew when we drafted him that it would take time. But yeah, let’s cut bait because he was really tough to watch for the first couple of years.
So much hyperbole and emotional stupidity.
It’s a risk to give him a slight deal larger than the minimum. You’re betting on him. Some of y’all are being obtuse and borderline moronic when acting like 4 fricking million is some crazy number. That’s a very friendly number where you could potentially have a player, who could outperform his deal easily, locked down for incredible value.
Having a 15 minute high energy rebounder and defender who comes in and does his job on both ends of the floor is easily worth 4 million. Let’s not forget his extremely efficient, yet still raw/unproven offensive game. This current Diallo is worth slightly more the way he’s playing. I’m buying low on a prospect who could easily outperform a deal. You’re acting like an irrational fan. The Ajinca comment is proof of that. Ajinca did very little at even an above average level. He was mediocre at best or worst in so many areas.
The guy is 22 years old and we knew when we drafted him that it would take time. But yeah, let’s cut bait because he was really tough to watch for the first couple of years.
So much hyperbole and emotional stupidity.
This post was edited on 3/5/19 at 10:06 am
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Posted on 3/5/19 at 10:21 am to ShamelessPel
The thing is you have him as a RFA for another year.. Why pay him more when you dont really have to, and it could end up being a great deal, but theres a far bigger chance it's a bad deal..
Now if you would change it to a 3/7.5 or 2/6 then I'm sure alot more people would be on board with that, because his value will probably never be much more if any above 2.5-3 a year
Now if you would change it to a 3/7.5 or 2/6 then I'm sure alot more people would be on board with that, because his value will probably never be much more if any above 2.5-3 a year
Posted on 3/5/19 at 10:37 am to ShamelessPel
But when has he ever done anything good when this team was actually trying to win games and opponents were gearing up for us?
Doesn't it concern you that he just starts putting up stats now when the season is over? Or that a 92 year old Emeka Okafor got his minutes last year when the Pelicans were making a push for the playoffs?
Personally, I think the guy is fools gold, and I wouldn't spend any money or real resources on him. I find it very unlikely that we would let him go and regret it in any meaningful way. And the only reason anybody regretted Aminu is because they signed Solomon Hill. If Dell would have used that money to sign a real SF or actually kept a draft pick and drafted one, nobody would be longing for Aminu and his 12.4 PER since he has been in Portland. And yes, that is actually lower than the 12.7 PER he produced here.
Doesn't it concern you that he just starts putting up stats now when the season is over? Or that a 92 year old Emeka Okafor got his minutes last year when the Pelicans were making a push for the playoffs?
Personally, I think the guy is fools gold, and I wouldn't spend any money or real resources on him. I find it very unlikely that we would let him go and regret it in any meaningful way. And the only reason anybody regretted Aminu is because they signed Solomon Hill. If Dell would have used that money to sign a real SF or actually kept a draft pick and drafted one, nobody would be longing for Aminu and his 12.4 PER since he has been in Portland. And yes, that is actually lower than the 12.7 PER he produced here.
Posted on 3/5/19 at 10:41 am to ShamelessPel
If you recall, when AD would hurt his vagina every 5 games or so and sit, Ajinca would come in and be serviceable. His Per36 stats were good, and almost identical to Diallo's. he was nothing special, and a fouling machine, but he had no problem scoring when given the opportunity, just like Okafor. Doesn't change the fact that neither of them are good players on a good team. What you are thinking about Diallo, is exactly what Dell thought about Ajinca before giving him that deal. No $4M isn't some crazy number, but it's 200% more than he's worth and what he brings to the court. Again, why would you pay someone $4M to do something someone that makes $1.5M can do? You assume that i think Ajinca was somehow a decent deal at the time, which it wasn't. I'm simply pointing out that your thinking of Diallo, is exactly what Dell thought of Ajinca, and you are allowing your recency bias of both ajinca and Diallo to not allow you to see the striking similarities.
What could Diallo do to outperform a 3/$12 deal? He has no offensive game. He gets' hustle points, that's it. He is an unintelligent defender, and extremely undersized to play down low. He's effecient b/c he isnt' asked to do anything but hustle. His raw/unproven offense, is what it is, and always will be. He has developed a mid range jumper and that's the extent of his offensive game outside of hustle points, and it always will be. The only thing i can see him improving on is learning when and how to make himself available in passing lanes, and i think he's too dumb to ever get that and doesn't possess the natural instincts for that.
What are you expecting him to improve upon offensively?
I'm not saying to cut bait with him. I'm not saying to not keep him. I like Diallo, and i'd love to keep him, but why would you offer some long term deal when no one else in the league would?
I've said it many times over the last 2 years that he should play more. His hustle running the floor creates space as crazy as that sounds. As a team that pushes the pace, he gets that started by making the defense adjust to him running the floor and helps create confusion and mismatches elsewhere.
You think i'm being moronic, and i feel the same exact way about your rationale on this.
and i don't want to hear anything about Aminu. He was a 27% 3 point shooter who was a good defender and hustler for us for 3 years. Nothing special about that. He goes to Portland and someone learns how to shoot and becomes a 36% 3 point shooter for 3 years. Who saw that coming from his moonball shot?
What could Diallo do to outperform a 3/$12 deal? He has no offensive game. He gets' hustle points, that's it. He is an unintelligent defender, and extremely undersized to play down low. He's effecient b/c he isnt' asked to do anything but hustle. His raw/unproven offense, is what it is, and always will be. He has developed a mid range jumper and that's the extent of his offensive game outside of hustle points, and it always will be. The only thing i can see him improving on is learning when and how to make himself available in passing lanes, and i think he's too dumb to ever get that and doesn't possess the natural instincts for that.
What are you expecting him to improve upon offensively?
I'm not saying to cut bait with him. I'm not saying to not keep him. I like Diallo, and i'd love to keep him, but why would you offer some long term deal when no one else in the league would?
I've said it many times over the last 2 years that he should play more. His hustle running the floor creates space as crazy as that sounds. As a team that pushes the pace, he gets that started by making the defense adjust to him running the floor and helps create confusion and mismatches elsewhere.
You think i'm being moronic, and i feel the same exact way about your rationale on this.
and i don't want to hear anything about Aminu. He was a 27% 3 point shooter who was a good defender and hustler for us for 3 years. Nothing special about that. He goes to Portland and someone learns how to shoot and becomes a 36% 3 point shooter for 3 years. Who saw that coming from his moonball shot?
This post was edited on 3/5/19 at 10:45 am
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