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re: NCAA rules Committee expected to change OT and Targeting penalties

Posted on 3/1/19 at 3:32 pm to
Posted by CaptainBrannigan
Good Ole Rocky Top Tennessee
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Posted on 3/1/19 at 3:32 pm to
They somehow made the targeting rule worse than it was.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 3/1/19 at 3:34 pm to
Honestly, with wins and losses being so huge in college football, they either need to take a more traditional approach to OT like the NFL, or just have ties in the regular season

College OT is far too gimmicky for something that matters so much
Posted by xiv
Parody. #AdminsRule
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Posted on 3/1/19 at 3:39 pm to
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If player gets a 2nd targeting call during the season, he will be suspended for next full game on top of the game he was kicked out of for the hit.
Just here to say “I told you so” to all the boiz who said I was an idiot for predicting this.
Posted by xiv
Parody. #AdminsRule
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Posted on 3/1/19 at 3:40 pm to
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Intentional vs not intentional.
Nope. Doesn’t matter. Can’t hit his head with yours.
Posted by xiv
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Posted on 3/1/19 at 3:42 pm to
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All you're trying to do in over time is determine a winner, and honestly, regular season games don't even need that
Yep. Ties are rare enough that they aren’t particularly a problem.

If we must have overtime, just play sudden death and give the ball to the team who lost the opening coin toss. That way, you know who gets the ball to start the “third” half and can strategize appropriately at the end of regulation.
Posted by Spelt it rong
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 3/1/19 at 3:48 pm to
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Nope. Doesn’t matter. Can’t hit his head with yours

Ok, troll.
As the rule is written today, you're correct. The way it should be, is just how I stated. If the player intends to lead with his helmet and makes forcible contact to the head/neck area of the other player, he should absolutely be removed from the game for a, let's call it, Targeting 1. If there's a play where there's no intent and the helmets happen to collide, you don't kick the players out of the game, but the foul is still called.
This post was edited on 3/1/19 at 3:51 pm
Posted by xiv
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Posted on 3/1/19 at 3:50 pm to
Calm down. This isn’t meltworthy.

If helmets don’t exist, head-to-head contact can knock you both out of the game, intentional or not. That’s the logic. You’re ejected from the game for using your head to hit another player. You can’t do it.

Ok, fine. Melt over it.
Posted by Spelt it rong
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 3/1/19 at 3:53 pm to
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You’re ejected from the game for using your head to hit another player

Intent matters in this case. Did you see Devin White hit Fitzgerald last season? Was that worthy of disqualification?

Terrible Targeting Calls and Ejections
Watch the above video and tell me how many of those hits absolutely qualified for targeting, specifically the Nebraska/UCLA hit.
This post was edited on 3/1/19 at 3:58 pm
Posted by xiv
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Posted on 3/1/19 at 3:56 pm to
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Intent matters in this case.
Nah.
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Did you see Devin White hit Fitzgerald last season? Was that worthy of disqualification?
Of course it was.

You can’t hit his head with your head, guys. That isn’t football.
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
65147 posts
Posted on 3/1/19 at 3:59 pm to
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Yep. Ties are rare enough that they aren’t particularly a problem.


Through the 2016 season, there had been 1293 overtime games played since OT was introduced to college football in the 1995 season (22 seasons). So, on average, 59 overtime games are played every season. LSU, specifically, has had 47 ties and has played in 15 OT games, so in the 126 years of LSU football, we have had 62 games end regulation in a tie, so basically once every 2 years. With those numbers, I wouldn't call ties in regulation particularly rare.
This post was edited on 3/1/19 at 3:59 pm
Posted by Tiger Prawn
Member since Dec 2016
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Posted on 3/1/19 at 4:00 pm to
They need to go the NBA route and have a Targeting-1 and Targeting-2. 1 being accidental targeting (ie. WR ducking at the last second, causing DB to make contact with helmet area) and 2 being the blatant ones. Make them both 15 yard penalties, but only the confirmed blatant targeting-2 carrying an ejection/suspension.
Posted by Spelt it rong
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 3/1/19 at 4:01 pm to
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Of course it was.

Wow. You've got to be fricking with me.
Posted by xiv
Parody. #AdminsRule
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Posted on 3/1/19 at 4:03 pm to
He did the thing that the rule prohibits. Nobody’s fricking with anybody. You have to find a way to not hit with your helmet or you can’t play.
Posted by Spelt it rong
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2012
10043 posts
Posted on 3/1/19 at 4:09 pm to
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He did the thing that the rule prohibits

Barely, but yes. The enforcement of the ejection rule is dumb and is in question by everyone in this thread.
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You have to find a way to not hit with your helmet or you can’t play.

Tell that to the linemen on both sides of the ball that make incidental helmet-to-helmet contact on each play.
This post was edited on 3/1/19 at 4:10 pm
Posted by xiv
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Posted on 3/1/19 at 4:12 pm to
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Tell that to the linemen on both sides of the ball that make incidental helmet-to-helmet contact on each play.
That isn’t the rule.

This rule isn’t going away.
Posted by Brettesaurus Rex
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 3/1/19 at 4:14 pm to
I like the idea of moving the starting point back every OT.
OT - 25
OT2 - 35
OT3 - 45
Etc
Posted by Spelt it rong
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2012
10043 posts
Posted on 3/1/19 at 4:18 pm to
So you have no issues with it, whatsoever?
Posted by xiv
Parody. #AdminsRule
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39508 posts
Posted on 3/1/19 at 4:21 pm to
No. It’s never been appropriate to hit that way. You wouldn’t hit that way if you didn’t wear a helmet, so you can’t hit that way.

“How’m I s’posed to make a tackle?”

With your arms and hands.
Posted by Spelt it rong
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2012
10043 posts
Posted on 3/1/19 at 4:25 pm to
Jesus H. Christ.
Posted by Dr RC
The Money Pit
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 3/1/19 at 4:30 pm to
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quote:

In the past four seasons, only seven games across all divisions lasted longer than four overtimes.


seems like a pretty high number to me


7 games out of what... 800 total FBS games is a lot?
This post was edited on 3/1/19 at 4:32 pm
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