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re: Relax - Milky Way Collision with Andromeda Further in Future than Earlier Predicted

Posted on 2/12/19 at 11:36 pm to
Posted by northshorebamaman
Cochise County AZ
Member since Jul 2009
35584 posts
Posted on 2/12/19 at 11:36 pm to
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Pshh. Galaxies have been colliding for 6,000 years we just haven't been here to see it.
subtle
Posted by supadave3
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2005
30364 posts
Posted on 2/12/19 at 11:39 pm to
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There is ten times mores stars in the sky than grains of sand on Earth. Let that sink in.


bullshite. They were wrong about that one too. It’s really closer to around 8 times more stars. They were waaayyyy off.
Posted by OysterPoBoy
City of St. George
Member since Jul 2013
35755 posts
Posted on 2/12/19 at 11:42 pm to
How do they even know how many grains of sand there are? Seems like a wild guess.
Posted by biglego
Ask your mom where I been
Member since Nov 2007
76845 posts
Posted on 2/12/19 at 11:49 pm to
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no stars or planets were ever likely to collide


Well then who gives a shite
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28746 posts
Posted on 2/13/19 at 12:02 am to
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I’m calling bullshite on this. We have thousands of collisions every year in our solar system. You can’t say there won’t be collisions when you have two systems each containing thousands of trillions of objects running into each other
Stars that are neighbors in a galaxy have had a very long time under the influence of each other's gravity to move closer and closer together, and eventually collide.


Let's try to figure the odds of two stars colliding in a galactic "collision":

Let's go with a slightly above average sized star and say the diameter is 2 million km on average. And let's go with 1 trillion stars in andromeda, and 500 billion in the milky way. And we'll go with 100k ly diameter for the milky way, and 200k ly for andromeda.

I'll do it by figuring the total surface area of andromeda and the total surface area of its stars, then throw the milky way's 500 billion stars into it one at a time and figure the odds of getting at least one hit.

And since we are throwing stars at stars, and glancing blows count, I'll double the diameter of the average star to calculate the surface area.

Total star surface area: pi*(2million)^2 * 1 trillion = 1.25x10^25 sqkm

Total galactic surface area: pi*(100,000ly)^2 = 2.5x10^36 sqkm

So the odds of a single star from the milky way colliding with a star in andromeda as they fly through each other are roughly 0.000000000005 to 1, or 0.0000000005%. That means the chance of a single star NOT hitting another star is about 99.9999999995%.

Now, we try that 500 billion times, 0.999999999995^500 billion = about a 92.8% chance of at least one hit.


I have completely forgotten (if I ever really knew) how to figure the odds of more than one occurrence, or the most likely number of occurrences, but it's only a handful at most.



Of course this is just a back of the napkin calculation that assumes a uniform distribution of stars, and doesn't account for the pull of gravity between stars. But considering the speed at which the galaxies will collide and the generally huge distances between stars, I think the effect of gravity would be pretty much negligible as far as causing more collisions.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28746 posts
Posted on 2/13/19 at 12:25 am to
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There is ten times mores stars in the sky than grains of sand on Earth. Let that sink in.

I don't believe that.


Hubble Deep Field




Every speck of light you see in that image is a galaxy, and each of them contains billions or trillions of stars.


Hubble was intentionally pointed at the darkest spot in the sky, just to see what was there.

The entire image that you see represents a spot in the sky roughly the size of a 1mm by 1mm speck of paper held at arm's length.
Posted by biglego
Ask your mom where I been
Member since Nov 2007
76845 posts
Posted on 2/13/19 at 12:29 am to
If everything is expanding out due to the Big Bang then why would galaxies ever collide? Shouldn’t everything be getting further apart?
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28746 posts
Posted on 2/13/19 at 12:39 am to
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If everything is expanding out due to the Big Bang then why would galaxies ever collide? Shouldn’t everything be getting further apart?
On average, yes. But local systems are still dominated by gravity and other forces.


Space is expanding equally everywhere, as far as we can tell. This includes inside the atoms of your own body. So, until atoms begin to rip apart, we shouldn't expect the expansion of space to make much difference.
Posted by dawgsjlw
shite hole with your momma
Member since Sep 2014
826 posts
Posted on 2/13/19 at 12:50 am to
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Good. Gives astronomers more time to rethink that “Milkomeda” name.
Andromeda Way?
Milky Andro?
Andromilky?
Posted by ByteMe
Member since Sep 2003
22348 posts
Posted on 2/13/19 at 1:23 am to
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I’m calling bullshite on this. We have thousands of collisions every year in our solar system. You can’t say there won’t be collisions when you have two systems each containing thousands of trillions of objects running into each other




It's hard to comprehend, but there is almost zero chance of any collisions.


ETA...

quote:

containing thousands of trillions of objects


"thousands of trillions" is a shite ton of objects, but they still won't collide. The vastness of space is something that we can't comprehend.
This post was edited on 2/13/19 at 2:41 am
Posted by offshoretrash
Farmerville, La
Member since Aug 2008
10184 posts
Posted on 2/13/19 at 2:08 am to
I like reading anything about space. We just don't comprehend how big space is. All our petty arguing and fight don't mean shite in the big scheme of things. A million years from now no one will give a frick who Democrats and Republicans were. Hopefully someday we will figure out space travel.
Posted by ByteMe
Member since Sep 2003
22348 posts
Posted on 2/13/19 at 2:28 am to
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Hopefully someday we will figure out space travel.


I think we have.
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 2/13/19 at 4:30 am to
You got that right. This is a bigger waste of time than global warming “research” but at least here there isn’t a scam attached to steal trillions of dollars.

Great point!
Posted by mofungoo
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2012
4583 posts
Posted on 2/13/19 at 4:58 am to
Does anyone really think that the human race is going to survive the next 4 billion years anyway?

We gonna be gone long before this celestial event occurs
Posted by Loaner1231
Member since Jan 2016
3903 posts
Posted on 2/13/19 at 5:22 am to
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Does anyone really think that the human race is going to survive the next 4 billion years anyway?


Posted by Junky
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2005
8423 posts
Posted on 2/13/19 at 6:56 am to
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And rather than taking place in about 3.75 billion years, it’ll be in about 4.5 billion years.


Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
Member since Dec 2006
57529 posts
Posted on 2/13/19 at 6:58 am to
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these nerds were off by almost a billion years with their fancy computer programs but I’m supposed to believe they nailed the moon landing math using a legal pad and #2 pencil
but they had Shaquetta
Posted by thotpocket
Dana Point, CA
Member since Sep 2017
2600 posts
Posted on 2/13/19 at 7:00 am to
Will this mess up my trip to Punta Cana?

TIA
Posted by GeeOH
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2013
13376 posts
Posted on 2/13/19 at 7:05 am to
In just 2 years Trump has fixed colliding galaxies by a billion years.

Posted by MBclass83
Member since Oct 2010
9451 posts
Posted on 2/13/19 at 7:11 am to
We will kill ourselves way before that.
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