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re: Most overpaid def. coaches in college football 2018, LSU got their money’s worth in Aranda
Posted on 1/22/19 at 1:23 am to Jack Crevalle
Posted on 1/22/19 at 1:23 am to Jack Crevalle
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No. More like a tired D gave up points plenty of times this year bc of an anemic offense that couldn't keep them off the field.
That is a Rantard created myth.
LSU's time of possession:
LSU 31.49 ... Miami... 28.11..........W 33-17
LSU 35.04 ...Auburn... 24.56..........W 22-21
LSU 35.17 ...Ole Miss... 24.43..........W 45-16
LSU 33.41 ...Georgia... 26.19..........W 36-16
LSU 31.46... Miss State... 28.14..........W 19-3
LSU 35.55 ... Arkansas... 24.05..........W 24-17
LSU 30.24... Florida... 29.36..........L 27-19
LSU 24.42... Alabama... 35.18..........L 29-0
LSU 28.3... Texas A&M... 31.3..........L 74-72
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Posted on 1/22/19 at 1:29 am to Topwater Trout
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I just don’t understand why DA is above criticism
Ha Ha Ha !!! You really don't?
It's really simple if you take a second and think about it.
If Eaux had hired Dave Aranda, Dave would be the 2nd most hated coach on this board.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 5:54 am to UnAnon
quote:If we had just one of those elite guys, it's a top-5 defense. We have some good ones, very good. But you add an elite guy where we're rotating those very good ones and we have an elite defense.
Miss St has two guys on the D Line worth 1st round grades. Miss st could stop the run and rush the passer, something LSU couldn't do all year.
We were literally 1 player away on the defensive side in my opinion.
You are right, that stopping the run (something we struggled with on the interior) AND get more pass rush with just a front 3+1 LB (another we struggled with) and the whole D changes.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 6:50 am to Tiger Ree
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If Eaux had hired Dave Aranda, Dave would be the 2nd most hated coach on this board
This right here is fact.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 7:00 am to bencoleman
FWIW
In my opinion, DA is a very good Def coordinator. As to great, I do not know yet. He definitely has some weaknesses, specially leaving our corners 1 on 1 at the end of the game when facing solid receivers and we are not able to pressure the QB.
Was the money worth it?
Yes, to the level that LSU needed to solidify one side of the ball while the Off was being rebuilt.
Will he be great? This year will say a lot of his D and ability to adjust when other coaches have seen his D multiple times. I remember Pelini and his "super" D that only lasted about one year.
In my opinion, DA is a very good Def coordinator. As to great, I do not know yet. He definitely has some weaknesses, specially leaving our corners 1 on 1 at the end of the game when facing solid receivers and we are not able to pressure the QB.
Was the money worth it?
Yes, to the level that LSU needed to solidify one side of the ball while the Off was being rebuilt.
Will he be great? This year will say a lot of his D and ability to adjust when other coaches have seen his D multiple times. I remember Pelini and his "super" D that only lasted about one year.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 7:29 am to RB10
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Please, continue.
Saying that Dave Aranda had a ton of talent and did not overperform that talent is not Orgeron supporters shitting on this thread, which is what you claimed would happen. That is reasonable evaluations of Aranda.
When you jump into a thread about Aranda with BS like that YOU are provoking the divisions you're complaining about.
Just to establish my prejudices: I was strongly against the Orgeron hire, watched the first two seasons with a constant cringe, and am now starting to come around. I've liked Dave Aranda since he got here, and I was a huge fan of Chavis. I know that's unpopular on here, but Chavis was perhaps the only defensive coordinator in the country who was shutting down spread and power, passing attacks and running attacks.
In my opinion, Aranda has a tendency to get too cute. He overloads to gets mismatches, intentionally leaving weaknesses where we get gashed if they have the right call. This sort of defense is brilliant if you are overmatched. If you have the horses it needlessly creates weaknesses. We had the horses this year - three guys playing at a high first round level, five more who could have gone pro (Divinity, Alexander, Fehoko, Fulton, Lawrence). That's eight guys who could have walked into the NFL and probably made rosters. And it's not like the other guys - Phillips, Queen, Battle - were scrubs.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 7:34 am to Tiger Ree
They not gonna like that one.
You know facts and stuff.
The fact tha year three is here things are trending up and we still have threads and posts downplaying CEOs ability to lead is sad.
Bunch of mad losers that can’t accept the fact they were wrong about the decision to name O coach at LSU is what it all boils down to.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 7:40 am to bencoleman
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If Eaux had hired Dave Aranda, Dave would be the 2nd most hated coach on this board
This right here is fact.
That right there is literally an opinion.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 7:43 am to Spotswoode
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Saying that Dave Aranda had a ton of talent and did not overperform that talent is not Orgeron supporters shitting on this thread, which is what you claimed would happen. That is reasonable evaluations of Aranda.
When you jump into a thread about Aranda with BS like that YOU are provoking the divisions you're complaining about.
Be critical of Orgeron or Ensminget and you're just negative and causing unwarranted division within the fan base.
Defend Aranda and you're just causing unwarranted division within the fan base.
Quite the catch 22 you've created there.
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He overloads to gets mismatches, intentionally leaving weaknesses where we get gashed if they have the right call. This sort of defense is brilliant if you are overmatched. If you have the horses it needlessly creates weaknesses.
LSU had to bring 5 or more to get pressure this year. If he rushes 3 or 4 you people bitch that hes not blitzing to pressure the QB. If he does blitz you people bitch that hes leaving his corners 1 on 1.
You can't have it both ways.
This post was edited on 1/22/19 at 7:48 am
Posted on 1/22/19 at 7:47 am to I20goon
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If we had just one of those elite guys, it's a top-5 defense. We have some good ones, very good. But you add an elite guy where we're rotating those very good ones and we have an elite defense.
Rashard Lawrence - 5 star
Fehoko - High 4 star (.9753)
Ed Alexander - High 4 star (.9665)
That's 3 DL that are around 5 star elite status. Depth certainly is an issue, but Logan and Ferrell were good rotational players. Shelvin finally took his fitness seriously towards the end. DL health and depth have been more of a problem than talent.
I'm becoming more concerned with our S&C program. Getting "Moffitized" does not seem to be what it used to be.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 8:06 am to RB10
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That right there is literally an opinion.
Do you realize that something can be both an opinion and a fact?
For example: I don't think RB10 understands that opinions can be facts. That could be my opinion, and it was likely a fact.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 8:07 am to RB10
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Defend Aranda and you're just causing unwarranted division within the fan base.
You were not defending him. No one had attacked him.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 8:09 am to Spotswoode
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Do you realize that something can be both an opinion and a fact?
No, they quite literally can't.
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For example: I don't think RB10 understands that opinions can be facts. That could be my opinion, and it was likely a fact
Still just an opinion.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 8:12 am to Spotswoode
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You were not defending him. No one had attacked him
Ok man.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 8:13 am to RB10
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you people bitch that hes not blitzing to pressure the QB. If he does blitz you people bitch that hes leaving his corners 1 on 1.
You can't have it both ways.
Well, you took an opinion of mine, created another opinion, assigned it to me, then pointed out my hypocrisy.
My actual opinion is that Aranda OVERLOADS in ways that create weaknesses. Sometimes those overloads come in the form of blitzes, but often they are slants and stunts. We saw some teams take advantage of this, and it cost us games. When you see a short side pitch and the runner goes 10 yards before he's touched, that's a good sign of what I'm referring too. When it happens threee or four times in the fourth quarter that's a sign that Aranda relied on overloads too much, the other team saw the tendency and exploited it.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 8:20 am to Spotswoode
Ok man. Aranda is overrated and deserves criticism.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 8:25 am to Jack Crevalle
Orgeron built the roster. Extremely disappointed in the 4th quarter against Florida and last possession against TAM. I like Aranda and glad we have him. We did not get our moneys worth.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 8:26 am to RB10
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Do you realize that something can be both an opinion and a fact?
No, they quite literally can't.
Ok, try this.
Person #1 thinks the Saints won a Superbowl in years past. Person #2 says they have never won one. Do you agree that these are their opinions?
They do a search on google, and lo and behold, the Saints DID win a Superbowl. Person #1's opinion also happened to be a fact. No?
Posted on 1/22/19 at 8:28 am to RB10
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Ok man. Aranda is overrated and deserves criticism.
Not my opinion. I'm critical of some things Aranda has done, but as I said in my first post, I've liked Aranda since he got here.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 8:29 am to Spotswoode
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They do a search on google, and lo and behold, the Saints DID win a Superbowl. Person #1's opinion also happened to be a fact. No?
Person 1's statement was a fact from the beginning man. If it's verifiable, it's a fact.
I'm not going to sit here and lecture you on the difference between opinions and facts. Google it and educate yourself.
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