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We are 2 weeks away from the Schumer Shutdown actually costing MORE than $5.7B

Posted on 1/12/19 at 8:31 pm
Posted by dcbl
Good guys wear white hats.
Member since Sep 2013
31514 posts
Posted on 1/12/19 at 8:31 pm
That's right boys and girls. The democrats are costing us MORE than President Trump has requested for border security

We are already at $3,6 billion

withing 2 weeks, and maybe sooner, the Schumer Shutdown will wind up being more expensive than President's Trump's modest request for border security funding

Muh principles

Shutdown Has Cost U.S. Economy $3.6 Billion So Far


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THE U.S. ECONOMY HAS lost $3.6 billion because of the ongoing partial government shutdown, according to an analysis by Standard & Poor's Global Ratings. It will only take another two weeks for the shutdown to cost the economy $5.7 billion – the same amount that the White House has requested for President Donald Trump's border wall.

The shutdown on Friday tied the longest in U.S. history at 21 days. If the shutdown continues, the per-week impact will balloon beyond the roughly $1.2 billion that have been lost each week since it began, S&P found.


Posted by MissyTiger
Member since Nov 2018
538 posts
Posted on 1/12/19 at 8:33 pm to
Democrats are soft-brained people who would rather talk about trash piling up in a park.

Billions of dollars doesn’t matter.
Posted by CamdenTiger
Member since Aug 2009
65116 posts
Posted on 1/12/19 at 8:39 pm to
Money doesn’t matter to them, look at the debt
Posted by rpg37
Ocean Springs, MS
Member since Sep 2008
53490 posts
Posted on 1/12/19 at 8:50 pm to
Why does closing something cost $5.7 more than it would if it was open?
Posted by dcbl
Good guys wear white hats.
Member since Sep 2013
31514 posts
Posted on 1/12/19 at 8:55 pm to
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Why does closing something cost $5.7 more than it would if it was open?

for one, we are going to pay 100% of salaries and back pay to everyone who has a federal job

for another, there is a backlog of work that needs to be caught up on & productivity will suffer when the employees are back on the job

there are also intangibles i the private sector; licenses are not being issued and we are losing tax revenues
Posted by MissyTiger
Member since Nov 2018
538 posts
Posted on 1/12/19 at 9:00 pm to
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Why does closing something cost $5.7 more than it would if it was open?


It doesn’t, except that everyone is who not working will still get paid when this is over.
Posted by jimjackandjose
Member since Jun 2011
6665 posts
Posted on 1/12/19 at 9:26 pm to
Geez. Some of you have never done a TOT study
Posted by BornAndRaised_LA
Springfield, VA
Member since Oct 2018
6525 posts
Posted on 1/12/19 at 9:27 pm to
So I get the messaging, but this isn’t on the Legislative Branch.

The House voted to pass appropriations legislation that would reopen the government without the funds requested by Trump for a wall, which had previously passed the Senate unanimously when it appeared Trump would be willing to sign it. However, Trump returned to demanding funds for the wall and said he would veto any bill that did not provide them. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell has in turn blocked the Republican-controlled U.S. Senate from considering any further appropriations legislation that Trump will not support, even the bill he previously allowed to pass.

So...although Congress Is tasked with appropriations and the Executive runs the government within the funds provided, in this case the Executive is holding the Legislative Branch hostage over a pet issue, despite a mid-term election during which this topic was addressed.

Hard to call it the Schumer Shutdown once proper context is applied.
Posted by cokebottleag
I’m a Santos Republican
Member since Aug 2011
24080 posts
Posted on 1/12/19 at 9:32 pm to
Except the house promised that the wall funding would be in the next appropriations bill last year.

Trump asked for 5B in a 4T budget. The house has said no.

The house refuses to compromise. Why won't democrats act in a bipartisan manner?
Posted by BornAndRaised_LA
Springfield, VA
Member since Oct 2018
6525 posts
Posted on 1/12/19 at 9:35 pm to
Link?
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
56184 posts
Posted on 1/12/19 at 9:37 pm to
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Hard to call it the Schumer Shutdown once proper context is applied.


Did I miss a veto?
Posted by BornAndRaised_LA
Springfield, VA
Member since Oct 2018
6525 posts
Posted on 1/12/19 at 9:45 pm to
No. You missed the 21 Dec Senate vote.

Easier if you follow this yourself
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29044 posts
Posted on 1/13/19 at 12:15 am to
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The house refuses to compromise. Why won't democrats act in a bipartisan manner?
How is it a compromise to give the president whatever he wants? That is not compromise, that is folding. And once you "compromise" by folding, what's next?

The 5 billion covers a relatively small section of the border, and likely the cheapest and easiest part to build on. What is the full plan? Is there one? What sort of immigration reduction is the first $5billion expected to achieve? No one knows, and no Trump supporter seems to care. They just want the "win".
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135338 posts
Posted on 1/13/19 at 12:18 am to
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but this isn’t on the Legislative Branch.
Until a bill is placed on Trump's desk, this is ABSOLUTELY on the Legislative Branch.
Posted by BornAndRaised_LA
Springfield, VA
Member since Oct 2018
6525 posts
Posted on 1/13/19 at 12:22 am to
The President has made it clear to the Senate that he will sign nothing if the wall is not included. The House gave the Senate a bill. The Senate will not bring a bill—or a CR—that does not include wall funding. Technically you could blame McConnell I guess for withholding the vote, but he’s basically just acknowledging the futility of passing a DOA bill.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135338 posts
Posted on 1/13/19 at 12:22 am to
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How is it a compromise to give the president whatever he wants?
POTUS wanted $25B in funding. Dems gave him nothing. Trump said he'd settle for $5.7B. Dems gave him nothing. Trump asked "if we can get government fully back open, will you consider funding the wall?" Pelosi answered "No".
Posted by TOKEN
Member since Feb 2014
11990 posts
Posted on 1/13/19 at 12:35 am to
LINK

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Immigration reform efforts run aground in Senate. In February of 2018, the Senate capped off an acrimonious several weeks of debate and negotiation with the President by defeating four different immigration plans. The one offered by GOP Senators with the most money for the border wall – $25 billion – received just 39 votes, the least amount of support of any of the immigration packages voted on by Senators. There was also a bipartisan immigration plan which included $25 billion for border security, paired with a 10-12 year pathway to citizenship for illegal immigrant “Dreamers.” That plan received 54 votes, but short of the 60 needed. Republicans and the President could have secured funding for the President’s wall with this plan, backed by Sen. Mike Rounds (R-SD) and Sen. Susan Collins (R-ME) – but it was opposed by most GOP Senators because of the DACA provisions. No compromise – no wall.


Posted by TX Tiger
at home
Member since Jan 2004
37589 posts
Posted on 1/13/19 at 12:49 am to
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We are 2 weeks away from the Schumer Shutdown actually costing MORE than $5.7B
Costing money to shut down the government.

The height of establishment propaganda.

By this "logic" the government costs Americans billions (if not trillions) annually with industry that would otherwise be privately operated.

But you gotta love the spin - Americans lose without its big, bloated government.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29044 posts
Posted on 1/13/19 at 12:51 am to
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POTUS wanted $25B in funding. Dems gave him nothing. Trump said he'd settle for $5.7B. Dems gave him nothing.
Yeah, the initial ask of $25B answers the question "what's next?", doesn't it? So then what's after that?

So if Trump himself acknowledges that at least $25B should be spent to be meaningful, how is asking for less money for less wall a compromise? If anything, spending $5B for a small section of wall is actually a WORSE deal than spending $25B for something that might show results. Speaking of results, does anyone have any projections on the impact any proposed wall might have?
Posted by TX Tiger
at home
Member since Jan 2004
37589 posts
Posted on 1/13/19 at 12:54 am to
quote:

POTUS wanted $25B in funding. Dems gave him nothing. Trump said he'd settle for $5.7B. Dems gave him nothing. Trump asked "if we can get government fully back open, will you consider funding the wall?" Pelosi answered "No".


So, basically what you're saying is that the God Emperor is a weak, unproductive pussy.
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