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re: TRUMP Border Wall GoFundMe Page Passes $4.3 Million
Posted on 12/20/18 at 10:36 am to upgrayedd
Posted on 12/20/18 at 10:36 am to upgrayedd
Sort of retards- but it does sort of undermine the argument I’ve watched (particularly on TD) that the wall is not a popular idea.
I find It significant that so many people have put their money where their mouth is.
I’ve never given a shite whether Mexico paid for it. I just want a wall.
I don’t believe the wall is the only solution, but I do believe it is necessary from a practical standpoint (it will slow these illegals down long enough for the other security measures regarding illegal entry to take over). Plus. It sends a message that breaks the freaking language barrier that we mean business. YOU CANNOT COME HERE ILLEGALLY. No wall is like ordering a convicted felon to stay inside a prison. He’s a criminal. He’s not following the rules except by force.
The wall is not a replacement for enforcing rules regarding a-hole criminal illegals that are already here. That’s a whole other problem that needs to be solved (and NOT with any path to citizenship, although I’m fine if these people stay so long as they have committed no other crime). But I don’t see how to solve the problem of what to do with illegals already here without solving the problem of how to keep new illegals out.
In other words, I would not write off passionate support of the Wall. It’s real. And it’s popular. And people WANT to pay for it. It is significant that financial support keeps ballooning.
I find It significant that so many people have put their money where their mouth is.
I’ve never given a shite whether Mexico paid for it. I just want a wall.
I don’t believe the wall is the only solution, but I do believe it is necessary from a practical standpoint (it will slow these illegals down long enough for the other security measures regarding illegal entry to take over). Plus. It sends a message that breaks the freaking language barrier that we mean business. YOU CANNOT COME HERE ILLEGALLY. No wall is like ordering a convicted felon to stay inside a prison. He’s a criminal. He’s not following the rules except by force.
The wall is not a replacement for enforcing rules regarding a-hole criminal illegals that are already here. That’s a whole other problem that needs to be solved (and NOT with any path to citizenship, although I’m fine if these people stay so long as they have committed no other crime). But I don’t see how to solve the problem of what to do with illegals already here without solving the problem of how to keep new illegals out.
In other words, I would not write off passionate support of the Wall. It’s real. And it’s popular. And people WANT to pay for it. It is significant that financial support keeps ballooning.
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Posted on 12/20/18 at 10:47 am to Wednesday
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In other words, I would not write off passionate support of the Wall. It’s real. And it’s popular. And people WANT to pay for it. It is significant that financial support keeps ballooning.
That wasn't me speaking as to the worthiness of the cause. That was me speaking to people blindly giving money to someone or some organization that they know nothing about. Just like the whole veteran GFM scam a few months ago.
Posted on 12/20/18 at 10:50 am to Wednesday
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the argument I’ve watched (particularly on TD) that the wall is not a popular idea.
Exactly. Just cause the want brigade says it over and over doesnt make it true
Posted on 12/20/18 at 11:04 am to Wednesday
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It does sort of undermine the argument I’ve watched (particularly on TD) that the wall is not a popular idea.
I find It significant that so many people have put their money where their mouth is.
The American People WANT the wall. If we have to fund it privately like this, then so be it.
Posted on 12/20/18 at 11:05 am to Wednesday
quote:I mean the US’s total wealth is $98 trillion with the average adult’s wealth at over $404,000 and the median at over $61,000.
but it does sort of undermine the argument I’ve watched (particularly on TD) that the wall is not a popular idea.
Even reaching the $1 billion dollar goal would mean 0.001% using the average wealth and 0.007% using the median wealth. Or if every adult have a little over $4 it would meet its goal.
So how can we infer something is popular overall from just $4.7 million and 76,000 donations? Now it’s early so that will obviously rise, and some won’t/can’t use GoFundMe, but it brings in $140 million in donations per month so it’s not like it’s some obscure or unpopular tool.
Posted on 12/20/18 at 11:18 am to Wednesday
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but it does sort of undermine the argument I’ve watched (particularly on TD) that the wall is not a popular idea.
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I would not write off passionate support of the Wall. It’s real. And it’s popular. And people WANT to pay for it.
Those two conclusions do not necessarily go together. No doubt people are passionate about the wall; that should come as no surprise since it was a major mantra of Trump's campaign. But that doesn't mean the wall is popular. Less than 100,000 people have donated so far...that isn't even a blip on the radar of popularity. If 1,000,000 people donate, that is still less than 1/3 of 1% of the US population.
For the record, I believe in making drastic increases in our border security and totally revamping our immigration laws....but I also believe a border wall is incredibly stupid.
We built that fence, and it was an economic and ecological disaster, while failing to curtail illegal immigration or drug trafficking by any appreciable amount. A wall will be at least 15 times more expensive, at least 15 times more destructive, and will accomplish almost nothing.
Even with a wall, we will have to increase border patrol to keep tabs on all the attempts to circumvent the wall. Let's just increase border patrol and other security measures that will actually have a positive effect, and quit obsessing over the stupid wall.
If we were to build even part of the wall, I predict we will be tearing it down within 20 years.
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