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A realistic path for revolt
Posted on 12/19/18 at 10:05 am
Posted on 12/19/18 at 10:05 am
Trump was the best hope against the swamp for this nation as a whole and it appears that he will fail. 5 billion to Mexico while no wall is not only defeat, its humiliation and spitting in the face of every single Trump voter, as was the last budget deal.
I think federalism is the last hope for the taxpayer who wants to live a normal life not overwhelmed with taxes and surrounded by leeches.
Lets say a gubernatorial candidate ran on a platform of defiance of the federal government.
Lets say an 8 year plan to:
-Ween off of all federal dollars first 2-4 years
-Cutting all federally mandated entitlement, health care, and education spending except senior care(year 2-4)
-Privatization and complete transfer of funding from state to local(negligible already in Alabama) of 50-75% of public schools year with possible implementation of voucher program (4-8)
-State tax and regulation reform to become the most business friendly in the entire country
Would you vote for this? May not have the demographics to pull off something like this in Alabama or Louisiana but what about Idaho or Wyoming? If a state did implement federal government defying reforms like this, would you consider moving there?
The most recent numbers I got could find on federal dollars sent to Alabama was 8 billion in 2016
Alabama spent 17.4 billion at the state level for education, healthcare, and welfare spending. Its possible to shave off 8 billion of that. Would it be easy...hell no but id vote for someone willing to try it.
I think federalism is the last hope for the taxpayer who wants to live a normal life not overwhelmed with taxes and surrounded by leeches.
Lets say a gubernatorial candidate ran on a platform of defiance of the federal government.
Lets say an 8 year plan to:
-Ween off of all federal dollars first 2-4 years
-Cutting all federally mandated entitlement, health care, and education spending except senior care(year 2-4)
-Privatization and complete transfer of funding from state to local(negligible already in Alabama) of 50-75% of public schools year with possible implementation of voucher program (4-8)
-State tax and regulation reform to become the most business friendly in the entire country
Would you vote for this? May not have the demographics to pull off something like this in Alabama or Louisiana but what about Idaho or Wyoming? If a state did implement federal government defying reforms like this, would you consider moving there?
The most recent numbers I got could find on federal dollars sent to Alabama was 8 billion in 2016
Alabama spent 17.4 billion at the state level for education, healthcare, and welfare spending. Its possible to shave off 8 billion of that. Would it be easy...hell no but id vote for someone willing to try it.
This post was edited on 12/19/18 at 10:06 am
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Posted on 12/19/18 at 10:19 am to bamafan1001
Assuming someone like that actually got elected and started carrying through on those campaign promises...what would stop the federal government from sending in federal law enforcement to remove that governor from office and arrest him?
Posted on 12/19/18 at 10:19 am to bamafan1001
Its over. The ones that want globalism control the justice systems and the media in this country. America is not America anymore and will continue in a downward spiral of replacing citizens with illegal immigrants...free speech will be crushed and we will eventually lose our 2nd amendment as well.
Posted on 12/19/18 at 10:20 am to Tiger Prawn
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what would stop the federal government from sending in federal law enforcement to remove that governor from office and arrest him?
Well mainly because nothing OP outlined is against federal law.
ETA: However no way in hell will that ever happen. Too many people sucking off the taxpayer teat.
This post was edited on 12/19/18 at 10:22 am
Posted on 12/19/18 at 10:26 am to bamafan1001
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Alabama spent 17.4 billion at the state level for education, healthcare, and welfare spending. Its possible to shave off 8 billion of that. Would it be easy...hell no but id vote for someone willing to try it.
It would still be alabama. if you are curious as to how the state compares to others, US news compiles the rankings
LINK
quote:
MEDIAN INCOME
$24,257
Yikes
quote:
#46
Overall Rank
Sounds about right.
Posted on 12/19/18 at 10:27 am to bamafan1001
In states like Alabama and Mississippi, your infrastructure would crumble. These states don’t have an educated or motivated workforce. You’d have to be able to incentivize business to come to the state to help make up for revenue shortage. Business will not come without tax breaks and you can’t give them because you need money.
Texas could do this, potentially and some states with low population and lower citizen dependence could potentially like the Dakotas, Montana, Idaho and perhaps even Iowa.
In short, sounds good but could not work.
Texas could do this, potentially and some states with low population and lower citizen dependence could potentially like the Dakotas, Montana, Idaho and perhaps even Iowa.
In short, sounds good but could not work.
Posted on 12/19/18 at 10:28 am to brian_wilson
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Yikes
Whole bunch of welfare rats in Bama.
I wonder how low that median income would actually drop if you took out Huntsville and the B'Ham suburbs.
Posted on 12/19/18 at 10:29 am to Tiger Prawn
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what would stop the federal government from sending in federal law enforcement to remove that governor from office and arrest him?
State law enforcement
Posted on 12/19/18 at 10:31 am to bamafan1001
You have to make yourself poor, at least on paper, so that the tax machinery can't be used against you.
Notice that nothing much is done with antifa types. That's because there is no money in it.
Notice that nothing much is done with antifa types. That's because there is no money in it.
Posted on 12/19/18 at 10:33 am to brian_wilson
quote:
quote:
Alabama spent 17.4 billion at the state level for education, healthcare, and welfare spending. Its possible to shave off 8 billion of that. Would it be easy...hell no but id vote for someone willing to try it.
It would still be alabama. if you are curious as to how the state compares to others, US news compiles the rankings
LINK
quote:
MEDIAN INCOME
$24,257
Yikes
quote:
#46
Overall Rank
Sounds about right.
Alabama and Louisiana wouldn't turn out so hot but that median income number is way off. It's about double that.
Posted on 12/19/18 at 10:39 am to DeltaDoc
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In states like Alabama and Mississippi, your infrastructure would crumble. These states don’t have an educated or motivated workforce. You’d have to be able to incentivize business to come to the state to help make up for revenue shortage. Business will not come without tax breaks and you can’t give them because you need money.
Certainly possible. Gotta factor in the fact that if you removed entitlement spending, youd see a mass migration of the worst of your population moving to other states. Schools improve day one. Housing prices fall substantially which would be a pretty big kick in the nuts to some...but that would be short term pain for long term gain. A warm weather state with low cost of living and much better demographics would be highly attractive, especially if you could make your state business friendly.
The state higher ed institutions would have to become self sustaining which would also cause some serious short term pain.
This thread isnt specifically about Alabama though. Could by any state...maybe Tennessee, maybe Arkansas, maybe Nebraska. If Tennessee did something like this, id be packing up my life and business and moving there yesterday
Posted on 12/19/18 at 10:51 am to brian_wilson
quote:Demographics
MEDIAN INCOME
$24,257
Yikes
quote:State rankings for such things are silly because no one lives in a state. I don't live in Alabama. I live in Madison. And, I'll put where I live up against a shite ton of locales in states that rank higher.
Overall Rank
Sounds about right.
I'm no more affected by the shite hole that is Birmingham than someone in Potsdam, NY is.
Posted on 12/19/18 at 10:54 am to DeltaDoc
quote:Nothing is static and there aren't walls on the border.
In states like Alabama and Mississippi, your infrastructure would crumble. These states don’t have an educated or motivated workforce.
Alabama and Mississippi for example could save a shite ton of money by simply no longer offering the copious safety net they are now required to do. In quite short order, everyone normally feeding off the safety net would simply move to places offering it.
Too many people look at any proposed change as if the net result will meet the following equation.
Everything of Today + Proposed change = Everything of today AND the Change.
But that ain't how it works.
Posted on 12/19/18 at 10:54 am to bamafan1001
quote:The left would be all about building some walls if this started happening.
Gotta factor in the fact that if you removed entitlement spending, youd see a mass migration of the worst of your population moving to other states.
Posted on 12/19/18 at 10:56 am to ShortyRob
I think many underestimate the amount of oil revenue that goes straight to the federal government from the waters off the coast of Louisiana and Texas.
Posted on 12/19/18 at 10:56 am to Centinel
quote:Median income in Madison, AL is over $92K FWIW
I wonder how low that median income would actually drop if you took out Huntsville and the B'Ham suburbs.
Huntsville is only $49K. Fact is, most of what people call Huntsville isn't.
Posted on 12/19/18 at 10:58 am to ShortyRob
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State rankings for such things are silly because no one lives in a state.
They offer a fair amount of insight into the state, since the state is responsible for quite a bit of the gov't infrastructure impacting people's lives.
I would agree that I would prefer to live in a great city in a shitty ranking state than a shitty city in a great ranking state.
Posted on 12/19/18 at 10:59 am to ShortyRob
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Median income in Madison, AL is over $92K FWIW
Huntsville is only $49K. Fact is, most of what people call Huntsville isn't.
I'm well aware considering I was born and raised there. There is still serious money in Huntsville proper, as it hasn't been hit by the complete white flight like B'ham was. Which is why I said Huntsville and the B'ham suburbs. I guess I could have said "metro Huntsville and the B'ham suburbs" instead.
Posted on 12/19/18 at 11:02 am to brian_wilson
quote:I'll bite. What insight? If you demographic normed Alabama and Mississippi, the would not longer be ranked where they are. That's statistically indisputable.
They offer a fair amount of insight into the state
To me, running around making a big deal about state ranking while ignoring such realities is like talking about school rankings in the same manner.
I tell people all the time. Madison City Schools aren't better schools than Huntsville City Schools. The people who go to Madison City Schools are better than Huntsville City Schools.
It's not like Madison has invented some better school widget. And hey, my kids go to Madison City Schools! Cause.......well, they're better!
Posted on 12/19/18 at 11:03 am to bamafan1001
Stuff like this is why I am single issue voter with respect to Federal Elections...
Fact...we know that the Fed Govt is bloated, too big, misuses money, etc.
Fact...we know that the govt whether managed by a R or a D is going to get bigger just because.
Fact...we know that one person can't "change" things really at all...sure they can tinker around the edges, but our constitution does not allow for dramatic change unless voters overwhelmingly, in every state, elect one party in power and re-affirm that vote every 2 years.
So...knowing this...I vote for that party which is most likely to cut taxes...And I really don't give a damn about deficits/debt, etc even though historically tax cuts have increased revenue.
If I get the added benefit of a govt that doesn't add tons of new regulations pr "programs that help the childrun" it is gravy on a biscuit.
Fact...we know that the Fed Govt is bloated, too big, misuses money, etc.
Fact...we know that the govt whether managed by a R or a D is going to get bigger just because.
Fact...we know that one person can't "change" things really at all...sure they can tinker around the edges, but our constitution does not allow for dramatic change unless voters overwhelmingly, in every state, elect one party in power and re-affirm that vote every 2 years.
So...knowing this...I vote for that party which is most likely to cut taxes...And I really don't give a damn about deficits/debt, etc even though historically tax cuts have increased revenue.
If I get the added benefit of a govt that doesn't add tons of new regulations pr "programs that help the childrun" it is gravy on a biscuit.
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