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re: Flott “50/50” Now?
Posted on 12/16/18 at 2:44 pm to lsufanva
Posted on 12/16/18 at 2:44 pm to lsufanva
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I dont disagree with you but what is our course of action regarding that? Do we leave the spot open hoping he signs and if not use it on a transfer or do we allow him to sign and chance losing the spot? Dicey game there.
Good questions. I don't have any answers. I would assume we try and hold a spot for him until the summer, but if we land some big fish in February that might not be possible. Then again, it might not matter if we have a spot left from this class. It's possible he'd be eligible to blue shirt and count toward next year's class. I think to quality, he can't have taken an official visit here and I'm not sure if he has taken one.
Hopefully the football staff is working closely with the baseball staff on his MLB draft prospects. Supposedly Alan Dunn is very plugged in with MLB scouts.
Posted on 12/16/18 at 3:21 pm to whitefoot
quote:correct. Can't have an in-home either (or, according to NCAA, "arranged, in-person, off-campus contact with coach".
I think to quality, he can't have taken an official visit here and I'm not sure if he has taken one.
Can't send him a NLI or any kind of written offer for any scholarship type.
Any of those would disqualify him for a blueshirt.
Posted on 12/16/18 at 3:36 pm to The First Cut
I think we should offer Deion Sanders oldest son.
He good enough and it gives us a shot at his younger brother at QB in 2 years.
He good enough and it gives us a shot at his younger brother at QB in 2 years.
Posted on 12/16/18 at 4:01 pm to The First Cut
O told him to troll Dan.
Posted on 12/17/18 at 8:45 am to The First Cut
I can't tell if his hair is running away from his ears or his ears are running away from his hair.
This post was edited on 12/17/18 at 8:46 am
Posted on 12/17/18 at 9:28 am to The First Cut
Honestly flott is a low rank/mid rank filler guy at strong position. Ehh, he might be the next tyrann Mathieu but him decommiting wont hurt LSU at CB. In fact it might just free up spots for positions of need.
Posted on 12/17/18 at 10:31 am to whitefoot
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It's possible he'd be eligible to blue shirt and count toward next year's class.
I don't think the rules really permit this anymore. Yes, a blueshirt let's you get around the counter problem, but there is nothing there to get around the NLI/scholarship signing problem. Anybody who gets a ship for the first time during the fall counts against the signing limits. To count against the next year, you can only promise a scholarship after the fall.
Here are the rules (note there has been a change. A walk on can get a ship after only one year now and not count. This is also true for initial counters too):
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15.5.1.10.1 Limitation on Number of National Letter of Intent/Offer of Financial Aid Signings—Bowl Subdivision Football. [FBS] In bowl subdivision football, there shall be an annual limit of 25 on the number of prospective student-athletes who may sign a National Letter of Intent or an institutional offer of financial aid and student-athletes who may sign a financial aid agreement for the first time. (Adopted: 1/16/10 effective 8/1/10, Revised: 1/14/12 effective 8/1/12, 4/26/17 effective 8/1/17 for signings that occur on or after 8/1/17)
15.5.1.10.1.1 Application. [FBS] A prospective student-athlete who signs a National Letter of Intent or an institutional offer of financial aid or a student-athlete who signs a financial aid agreement that specifies financial aid will be initially provided in the fall term of an academic year shall count toward the annual limit on signings for that academic year. A prospective student-athlete who signs a National Letter of Intent or an institutional offer of financial aid or a student-athlete who signs a financial aid agreement that specifies financial aid will be initially provided during the second or third term of the academic year may count toward the limit for that academic year or the limit for the next academic year. (Adopted: 1/14/12 effective 8/1/12, Revised: 4/26/17 effective 8/1/17 for signings that occur on or after 8/1/17)
15.5.1.10.1.2 Exception—Agreement After One Year. [FBS] A student-athlete who has been in residence at the certifying institution for at least one academic year may sign a financial aid agreement for the first time without counting toward the annual limit on signings. (Adopted: 4/26/17 effective 8/1/17 for signings that occur on or after 8/1/17, Revised: 4/25/18 effective 8/1/18)
15.5.1.10.1.3 Exception—Incapacitating Injury or Illness. [FBS] A prospective student-athlete or student-athlete who, prior to participation in athletically related activities, becomes injured or ill to the point that he or she apparently never again will be able to participate in intercollegiate athletics shall not count toward the institution’s annual limit on signings. (Adopted: 4/26/17 effective 8/1/17 for signings that occur on or after 8/1/17)
I think what I would do is sign him to a baseball scholarship with the intent to shift it to football if he shows up. Would mean that he couldn't participate in any formal football related activities until it's resolved.
Posted on 12/17/18 at 10:43 am to Indiana Tiger
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I think what I would do is sign him to a baseball scholarship with the intent to shift it to football if he shows up. Would mean that he couldn't participate in any formal football related activities until it's resolved.
Not possible. First off baseball are partial schollies, second off and the big one if he signs any scholarship that’s not football, he can’t play football for 2 years.
Posted on 12/17/18 at 10:50 am to tigermike5
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if he signs any scholarship that’s not football, he can’t play football for 2 years
HUH? You are telling us that if he accepts a baseball scholly at LSU he can't play football for 2 years?
I must be missing something
Posted on 12/17/18 at 1:01 pm to cra_cra
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HUH? You are telling us that if he accepts a baseball scholly at LSU he can't play football for 2 years?
I must be missing something
Yes, that signing a "non-football" scholarship makes you sit for two years. This prevents Bama from signing 11 "baseball" players every year and giving up on the baseball program. This rule is there for a reason
Posted on 12/17/18 at 3:21 pm to sabanisarustedspoke
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Yes, that signing a "non-football" scholarship makes you sit for two years.
You may be right, but you are going to have to show me the actual rule for me to accept it because it really doesn't make sense.
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Yes, that signing a "non-football" scholarship makes you sit for two years. This prevents Bama from signing 11 "baseball" players every year and giving up on the baseball program. This rule is there for a reason
Like this makes absolutely no sense. What on earth would a team gain from doing this? As soon as one of these guys practiced with the football team, they would count against football. In the first year they would count against the 25 signees and 85 total. In the second year they would only count against the 85. Your example doesn't work.
I'm not familiar with baseball scholarship administration, so there may be some practical reasons why my suggestion wouldn't work, but it ain't this shite (until you can show me otherwise). If he doesn't show up until fall camp (signing deadline should be over by then), or not at all, he would never actually be on a baseball scholarship. However, it would give him a sense of commitment and the football program wouldn't waste a scholarship since it could be applied to the following year.
Posted on 12/17/18 at 5:12 pm to Indiana Tiger
We need at least one more CB whether it is Flott or whoever. I really liked Banks!
Posted on 12/17/18 at 6:08 pm to Tigers eyes
Regarding Hampton, if a kid is that good you hold his spot until after the MLB draft.
If he signs an MLB contract oh well we can back count his scholarship for next year.
If he comes to LSU, awesome we have a new two sport star.
But you hold his spot. Nothing bad can come of it
If he signs an MLB contract oh well we can back count his scholarship for next year.
If he comes to LSU, awesome we have a new two sport star.
But you hold his spot. Nothing bad can come of it
Posted on 12/17/18 at 6:21 pm to sabanisarustedspoke
Bear Bryant used to abuse this rule. I believe he is the main reason the rule was changed
Posted on 12/17/18 at 7:30 pm to Indiana Tiger
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You may be right, but you are going to have to show me the actual rule for me to accept it because it really doesn't make sense.
Yea, I really can't tell you where in the "rule book" it is, but I can tell you it is. Basically Bama was signing kids to swimming schollies, baseball shcllies, and every other sport not football so he could have 120 kids on scholarship. Again, I can't show you in the "Rules" its written but I do know that there is a great deal of money on the line in College Football so the Odds of some dude on a football board coming up with a loophole giving any school a distinct advantage to getting that money is pretty naive. That's kind of reality dude.
Posted on 12/17/18 at 8:11 pm to sabanisarustedspoke
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Yea, I really can't tell you where in the "rule book" it is, but I can tell you it is.
Yeah...no you can't.
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Basically Bama was signing kids to swimming schollies, baseball shcllies, and every other sport not football so he could have 120 kids on scholarship.
Yes and that's why they instituted the rule that multisport athletes must be counted against football if that is one of the sports.
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I do know that there is a great deal of money on the line in College Football so the Odds of some dude on a football board coming up with a loophole giving any school a distinct advantage to getting that money is pretty naive. That's kind of reality dude.
You are someone with a little bit of knowledge and you're making connections that don't make any sense. The only logical reason for your 2 year thing is that (prior to this year) they would count against the 25 if they played football those first two years. However, they wouldn't have been prevented from doing so. Just that it would be unlikely that the football team would have accepted them under those conditions.
This post was edited on 12/17/18 at 8:21 pm
Posted on 12/17/18 at 8:24 pm to Indiana Tiger
How am I making no sense dioshit. I'm trying to simplify to an utter moron why he can't take a baseball scholly and not a football scholarship prick.
Posted on 12/17/18 at 8:47 pm to sabanisarustedspoke
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How am I making no sense dioshit
If you have to ask, you can't read and comprehend at the same time.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 2:52 pm to Indiana Tiger
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Like this makes absolutely no sense. What on earth would a team gain from doing this? As soon as one of these guys practiced with the football team, they would count against football. In the first year they would count against the 25 signees and 85 total. In the second year they would only count against the 85. Your example doesn't work.
Well it’s the bear Bryant rule, he did exactly this in the 60s/70s. He took the baseball schollies and gave them for football. That’s is the problem with your logic, the reason a team would do this is there was more room on the 25/85, if their is space they sign football. If not it prevent a school like oh st or Michigan with bad baseball programs to give those schollies to mid tier 4 stars that don’t have room. The 2 year ban makes it not worth teams to do this.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 7:23 pm to tigermike5
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Well it’s the bear Bryant rule, he did exactly this in the 60s/70s. He took the baseball schollies and gave them for football. That’s is the problem with your logic, the reason a team would do this is there was more room on the 25/85, if their is space they sign football. If not it prevent a school like oh st or Michigan with bad baseball programs to give those schollies to mid tier 4 stars that don’t have room. The 2 year ban makes it not worth teams to do this
First, I don't know why you think I'm unaware of the Bear's activities. My issue is the existence of this two year rule. Maybe it existed at one time, but that would be a long time ago. I've asked for proof, because I've looked and I can't find it. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist, but couple that with many people never hearing about it...it probably doesn't.
Second, there is no evidence here that you understand how the actual rules really work. If you are on any athletic scholarship and you participate in football related activities, you have to count against football 85/25. The following would be considered football related activities:
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Practices
Athletics meetings with a coach initiated or required by a coach (e.g., end of season individual meetings).
Competition (and associated activities, regardless of their length).
Field, floor or on-court activity.
Setting up offensive and defensive alignment.
On-court or on-field activities called by any member of the team and confined primarily to members of that team.
Required weight-training and conditioning activities.
Required participation in camps/clinics.
Participation outside the regular season in individual skill-related instructional activities with a member of the coaching staff.
Discussion or review of game films.
Participation in a physical activity class for student athletes only and taught by a member of the athletics staff (e.g., coach).
Now, tell me how hiding a player on a bad baseball team who can't do any of these things above without counting against the 85/25 is useful to anyone, including the player?
Finally, you don't understand my suggestion in the slightest. My suggestion has nothing to do with getting around numbers. Nothing. It's simply a workaround the timing of the MLB draft to create a formal commitment with a desired athlete without screwing ourselves. Now as I said, because of my lack of understanding of baseball scholarship admin, there may be practical reasons why it can't be done, but it isn't this strawman bullshite.
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