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re: Shaw's response to Sternberger fumble

Posted on 11/28/18 at 9:34 am to
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 11/28/18 at 9:34 am to
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fact is that was a catch and a fumble by rule... period... t


Except for the fact that it wasn't. At best it was questionable, which by rule should be ruled incomplete.

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When in question, the catch, recovery or interception is not completed.


There is not some big conspiracy to make bad calls on only LSU.
Posted by cj2002
louisiana
Member since Nov 2007
2027 posts
Posted on 11/28/18 at 9:35 am to
I think had the ball carrier been hit low the receiver would have gone to the ground with the ball. That's a catch in my eyes.
Posted by TigersFan64
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 11/28/18 at 9:36 am to
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If the goal line would have been at the point of when he had the ball in his hands would it have been a touchdown? u dam right it would have...


Yep. I guarantee you the officials would have ruled it a TD.
Posted by GetmorewithLes
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Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 11/28/18 at 9:37 am to
Sternberger clutched the ball firmly with both hands took one full step turned his direction upfield (football move) and was hit as second full stride was inches from complete.
There is no reference to two steps in the rule but what would have changed in that play result if he had touched that third foot to the ground? 100% would have been ruled a catch.
As far as tucking the ball away, he had no intention of tucking it because he was attempting to avoid a tackle by Greedy.
Posted by klrstix
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Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 11/28/18 at 9:40 am to
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There is not some big conspiracy to make bad calls on only LSU.



I don't think there is a conspiracy... I do think it was a terrible call... not 50/50, judgement call whatever...

Take the exact same action from receiver and DB but move the spot into the endzone and I bet my entire years earnings from last year that it is ruled a touchdown 99 out of 100 times...



This post was edited on 11/28/18 at 10:54 am
Posted by TigerFan55555
Tomball, TX
Member since Nov 2008
9604 posts
Posted on 11/28/18 at 9:45 am to
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When in question, the catch, recovery or interception is not completed.



the player slamming his hand down the second he lost the ball tells me even he knew he caught it and fumbled it...


Like i said, all these "Experts" and such are going to anything or say anything they can to "make it cloudy"... or say its a judgement call or could have gone either way.... all bullshite... thats what people do after they make mistakes... personlly id feel better if the ref came out and said "hey, i fricked up it cost LSU a win, im sorry" i could live with that... but covering shite up like they didnt make mistakes makes me hate them even more....


kinda like that umpire a few years ago that cost a pitcher a perfect game... right after the game he was crying saying i cost that kid a perfect game... the pitcher said it was cool, he knew and everyone else knew he threw a perfect game... just like what should happen here... everyone knows LSU won that game, if the officials apologized and said yeah we cost LSU that game, you wouldnt hear shite from the faggies..
This post was edited on 11/28/18 at 9:50 am
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 11/28/18 at 9:46 am to
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the player slamming his hand down the second he lost the ball tells me even he knew he caught it and fumbled it...




Yea, no point in carrying this any further.
Posted by EZE Tiger Fan
Member since Jul 2004
50474 posts
Posted on 11/28/18 at 9:50 am to
Bama grad will not admit to anything.

Did anyone ask Bama Grad why the officials didn't allow the play to go through, then review?

There were two other instances in the game where this happened and the right thing was done.

Why was the wrong thing done in this spot?

It is OK. Those questions are rhetorical.
Posted by xiv
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Member since Feb 2004
39508 posts
Posted on 11/28/18 at 9:55 am to
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acknowledging that the outcome was influenced by at best questionable officiating
Nobody thinks this; they feel it.
Posted by EZE Tiger Fan
Member since Jul 2004
50474 posts
Posted on 11/28/18 at 9:56 am to
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There is not some big conspiracy to make bad calls on only LSU.


Correct. It isn't a conspiracy. Bad calls against the lower tier teams in the SEC is very common place. Just part of the package.

Tenn, MSU, Mizzou among others, had some pretty blatantly obvious calls/non-calls go against them this season as well. Some of these non-calls included punches to the face, body punches, and targeting that concussed one team's QB. Nothing was called.

To ignore these patterns is to ignore the obvious.
Posted by Abe1961
Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 11/28/18 at 9:57 am to
He took 2 steps with the ball moron
Posted by pellietigersaint
Tiger Stadium
Member since Aug 2005
19043 posts
Posted on 11/28/18 at 9:57 am to
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Let


It


Geaux



spacing 5 times between words doesn't emphasize your point, only your ignorance
Posted by I-59 Tiger
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Member since Sep 2003
36703 posts
Posted on 11/28/18 at 9:59 am to
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LNCHBOX


If Webster's Dictionary every picks up the word
"negatiger" your picture should be next to it.
Posted by Abe1961
Member since Oct 2014
2413 posts
Posted on 11/28/18 at 10:00 am to
At best questionable
Shaw said it was 50/50
Posted by nola000
Lacombe, LA
Member since Dec 2014
13139 posts
Posted on 11/28/18 at 10:12 am to
Once he has control of the ball, which he clearly does as soon as his hands contact the ball because it was a clean catch, and he takes a step upfield, he has committed a football move or a move common to the game. Shaw is just covering his arse.

I do know this. It seems that all that billboard shite worked on Alabama HQ in Birmingham. They are actually responding to criticism of the officials now. Possibly trying to control the narrative and head off any possibility of another round of billboards.

Posted by eastside45ydln
Member since Sep 2013
70 posts
Posted on 11/28/18 at 10:13 am to
Sternberger was sure hands all night long, but in this one instance he wasn't able to hang on to the ball...why?... not because he dropped the ball but because he fumbled after being hit by a Tiger db. When a receiver begins to transfer the ball to one side of his body doesn't that indicate control regardless of how many steps he takes or is tackled?

Todays interpretation of the "rule" is surely different that it once was. For example, in 1968 did the NY Jet's Don Maynard make the greatest catch of his career in the AFL championship or no? At 3:00 in the attached clip Maynard makes an over-the-shoulder catch that he quickly fumbles after being tackled in the red zone.

LINK

Today there is a high probability that Maynard's catch would be considered an incomplete pass and, as a result, American football folklore would be forever different.

So some say "get over it" but for me CVL sums it up best, "show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser".
Posted by Dave England
Member since Apr 2013
5107 posts
Posted on 11/28/18 at 10:13 am to
back for more?

you must be a glutton for punishment.


Posted by Dave England
Member since Apr 2013
5107 posts
Posted on 11/28/18 at 10:15 am to
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He took 2 steps with the ball moron


quit arguing with him over 2 steps.

its already been shown, many times over, that LUNCHBOX is citing something that is completely absent from the rules.

whether or not its some sort of "measuring stick" used by officials is moot. the rules are the rules.

does he have possession of the football AND once establishing possession, make a move common to the game?

if the answer to both of those is yes (it is) it was a catch (it was).
Posted by nola000
Lacombe, LA
Member since Dec 2014
13139 posts
Posted on 11/28/18 at 10:16 am to
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So......if you grab the ball with your hands and hold it out if front of you for five yards


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Your purple and gold glasses are showing


Why? Because he pointed out that having the "ball tucked away" isn't a legitimate criteria for what constitutes a catch? He's right. Whether the ball is tucked away or not is it relevant to the process of a catch. Guys catch the ball all the time without tucking it away.

Posted by nola000
Lacombe, LA
Member since Dec 2014
13139 posts
Posted on 11/28/18 at 10:19 am to
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We did not get screwed by the refs. There were about 6 50/50 calls that all went against us. It sucks but that’s football.


That defies the law of probability. Even more so when you consider this happens in a ton of games for LSU. LSU rarely, rarely has the close calls go in their favor.

If it happens occasionally you consider it an outlier. A mistake. Ignorance. When it happens all the time its intent.
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