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Pay off Debt or Contribute to IRA?

Posted on 11/8/18 at 10:25 am
Posted by Tigerfan56
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Posted on 11/8/18 at 10:25 am
So my wife and I are in the best financial situation we’ve been in, after moving and taking new jobs for both of us.

We racked up some credit card debt in the transition process and from our wedding - about $10k. We have about $2k extra money a month to do with what we want. We are going to pay off the CC debt first. After that, would you pay off other debt or contribute to IRA?

Our situation. 28 years old. 35k in student loan debt, with rates between 4-7%. 15k left on a car note at 2%. My wife contributes to her 401k the minimum required to get employer match. I work for the government so I contribute towards the pension plan. I struggle trying to decide what to do with the excess money after the CC are paid off in a few months.

Should we hammer away the student loans and get that paid off ASAP? It would be nice to then quickly pay off the car note and only have a mortgage left. On the other hand, I think the most sound financial plan long-term would be max out both our IRA’s and then throw the rest at the student loans/auto debt.

I think retirement is the right answer. The only thing holding me back from that plan is the urge to just get out from the debt. But we can manage the debt and retirement, so long-term I think I’d kick myself for not contributing more towards retirement just to avoid some interest for 2 extra years or so.

ETA: the 2k extra money comes after making the monthly student loan and auto loan payments
This post was edited on 11/8/18 at 10:26 am
Posted by DallasTiger45
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 11/8/18 at 10:35 am to
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35k in student loan debt, with rates between 4-7%


Can you allocate your payments toward the loans with the varying rates individually? It might make sense to pay extra towards the higher interest loans while also increasing retirement contributions. This could service as a bit of a compromise between the hard and soft aspects of financial planning (rate of return math vs peace of mind that comes from reducing/eliminating debt).
Posted by Hammond Tiger Fan
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Posted on 11/8/18 at 10:36 am to
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Our situation. 28 years old. 35k in student loan debt, with rates between 4-7%. 15k left on a car note at 2%. My wife contributes to her 401k the minimum required to get employer match. I work for the government so I contribute towards the pension plan. I struggle trying to decide what to do with the excess money after the CC are paid off in a few months.


Since you are already contributing to a 401k and a pension plan, I would use the extra money coming in to get rid of the debt. Once the debt is clear then I would open up a ROTH and max that sucker out along with my 401k contributions.
Posted by rowbear1922
Houston, TX
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 11/8/18 at 10:37 am to
Are you making minimum payments on the student and auto loans? If so, I would say spend an extra $500 a month on each then save the $1k for retirement.

Someone else may have a better answer, but to me, I'd say start the snowball effect with your retirement money now while paying substantially more per month on your current debt.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
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Posted on 11/8/18 at 10:39 am to
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35k in student loan debt, with rates between 4-7%


Pay off the high interest ones as quick as possible. Then, although it may not make the most math sense, I'd split the extra between the 4% loans and retirement. That would be more your personal preference for extinguishing the debt than running all the numbers.
Posted by PearlJam
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Posted on 11/8/18 at 11:01 am to
Definitely pay off the student loans before contributing extra to retirement. After that, I would contribute extra to retirement rather than worrying about the auto debt, but if you hate debt it wouldn't take long to wipe the car debt off next.
Posted by cgrand
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Posted on 11/8/18 at 11:03 am to
pay off your debt, while it's easy to do so.
you never know what may come next
Posted by Hammond Tiger Fan
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Posted on 11/8/18 at 11:48 am to
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pay off your debt, while it's easy to do so.
you never know what may come next


This is so true, especially when you have kids
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 11/8/18 at 12:03 pm to
The best financial choice is invest but the safe and lower stress option is to eliminate the debt.

There is a value on true financial freedom with no debt. You have to figure out what that is worth to you before making the best decision for yourself.
Posted by cgrand
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Posted on 11/8/18 at 12:16 pm to
just to paint a picture...

35k in student loan debt
15k left on a car note
10k card debt

you are 60,000 in debt before your mortgage. SIXTY THOUSAND DOLLARS...

pay that shite off before you allocate another dime to anything else
Posted by Oenophile Brah
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Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 11/8/18 at 12:24 pm to
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We have about $2k extra money a month to do with what we want. We are going to pay off the CC debt first. After that, would you pay off other debt or contribute to IRA?

It sounds like you and your wife have a solid income level. You may want to think about the Roth IRA income limits and see if you may pass those limits. If it's possible/likely, you may want to avoid an IRA to leave the backdoor roth option available. You could always just increase your wife's 401k now for additional retirement contributions.

I agree with others in tackling the highest interest student loans first and working down. When you reach 4.5% interest loans or below, then I would consider increasing retirement levels. You're in good shape, but you have a significant level of debt that is prohibiting you from really taking off financially. Ending the student debt will allow you to focus on the positive side of financial strategy.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 11/8/18 at 12:42 pm to
quote:

Should we hammer away the student loans and get that paid off ASAP? It would be nice to then quickly pay off the car note and only have a mortgage left. On the other hand, I think the most sound financial plan long-term would be max out both our IRA’s and then throw the rest at the student loans/auto debt.
I think a combination would be best, because will IRA contribution limits increasing to $12,000 next year, you could max out your contributions and still have $12,000 per year to pay off the extra loans.

And due to the decompounding nature of amortized debt, if you put all $2000 per month towards the loans, your total payment won’t be considerably more than if you applied half of that. In addition, because the interest is deductible, up to $2,500 per year, the true costs of extra interest up to the limit is less than that amount, and it lowers as you get into higher marginal tax rates, as long as your MAGI is less than $165,000. And by my quick research, assuming you live in LA, it looks like state income taxes are also deductible

Here is a quick analysis, with the assumptions that given your extra $2,000 a month in disposable income, your MAGI would put you in the 22% federal income bracket and 6% state income bracket, which results in 28% for ever deductible dollar of interest. I'm also using the midpoint of the rates at 5.5% and since you're 28, I used 6 years as the time remaining (from January) on the loan.

$0 extra towards loans after 72 months
Total Months of Payment--72
Total Payment Amount--$41,172
Total Interest Payment Amount--$6,172
Total Tax Savings--$1728
Total Payment minus Tax Savings--$39,443
Total amount contributed to IRA--$0
Total IRA Amount with 10% annual gains--$0
Loan Costs minus IRA Amount--negative $39,443

$1000 extra towards loans after 72 months
Total Months of Payment--24
Total Payment Amount--$37,002
Total Interest Payment Amount--$2002
Total Tax Savings--$561
Total Payment minus Tax Savings--$36,441
Total amount contributed to IRA--$72,000
Total IRA Amount with 10% annual gains--$97,529
Total Net IRA minutes Loans--$66,088

$2000 extra towards loans after 72 months
Total Months of Payment--15
Total Payment Amount--$36,222
Total Interest Payment Amount--$1,222
Total Tax Savings--$342
Total Payment minus Tax Savings--$35,880
Total amount contributed to IRA--$60,000
Total IRA Amount with 10% annual gains--$76,950
Total Net IRA minutes Loans--positive $41,070

So as you can see being able to max out your IRA for an extra year, and putting half towards the loans and half towards the IRA, will only cost you $780 dollars in more interest and $561 dollars after deducting taxes than if you put all $2000 towards your IRA.

However, due losing a year's worth of the $12,000 contribution, and 15 months of gains, you'll have $20,579 less in your retirement after 72 months (original loan timeline) if you put it all towards the loans at once.

And after 30 more years of compounding gains, the $20,579 difference becomes a $359,091 difference. And you could probably maximize the gains further, if put the extra amount towards the highest interest debt first and/or pay more towards that proportionately.

But personally, I think the benefits of paying the loans 9 months earlier and saving $580 are not worth the opportunity costs of not paying able to contribute the $12,000 towards your IRA for a year, plus the 15 extra months of compounding gains that will be missed, especially when the net difference will continue to have costs as they compound for decades more.

What you may also want to do is something like putting the $2000 during the first 9 or 10 months towards the loan, then put the $2,000 during the last few months of the year, and the months that you can still contribute to an IRA before filing taxes at the beginning of the following year towards the IRA. Or maybe some combination, where you put more towards the loan upfront, where you can make the biggest dent into the interest costs, then gradually put less towards the loans and more towards the IRA. That way you can maximize the cost savings, maximize your IRA, and minimize the opportunity costs of missing gains.
This post was edited on 11/8/18 at 1:00 pm
Posted by Hammond Tiger Fan
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Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 11/8/18 at 1:13 pm to
quote:

There is a value on true financial freedom with no debt.


This is where I lie. I hate having debt hanging over my head. I try my hardest to clear debt as fast as I can because too much of it has the potential to erode your quality of life.
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
21314 posts
Posted on 11/8/18 at 1:16 pm to
Your analysis also requires that income doesn't decrease.

This is my personal issue with not tackling debt first. It means your are locked in to a minimum income requirement situation and leaves less room to handle life changes. You reduce the flexibility in your life choices.
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 11/8/18 at 1:21 pm to
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Your analysis also requires that income doesn't decrease.

exactly
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
36672 posts
Posted on 11/8/18 at 1:25 pm to
quote:

Your analysis also requires that income doesn't decrease.

This is my personal issue with not tackling debt first. It means your are locked in to a minimum income requirement situation and leaves less room to handle life changes. You reduce the flexibility in your life choices.


In my industry it would be completely my fault if my income decreases, as in I get fired. I think that's a very reasonable assumption if they're professionals in a stable industry.
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
21314 posts
Posted on 11/8/18 at 1:32 pm to
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In my industry it would be completely my fault if my income decreases, as in I get fired. I think that's a very reasonable assumption if they're professionals in a stable industry.


What if you end up hating your job so much that you want to do anything else but you can't take the pay cut?

What if a great career opportunity comes along but it takes a short term income reduction for long term gain?

What you get disabled?

What if your spouse loses their job?

What if your wife wants to stay home with kids?

These are no longer choices you can make.

I am not saying these are things you are stupid to ignore but the value of having these options will vary by person to person.
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 11/8/18 at 1:34 pm to
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What if a great career opportunity comes along but it takes a short term income reduction for long term gain?

like say...open your own business?
personal debt is a killer
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
36672 posts
Posted on 11/8/18 at 1:40 pm to
What if you end up hating your job so much that you want to do anything else but you can't take the pay cut?

What if a great career opportunity comes along but it takes a short term income reduction for long term gain?

What you get disabled?

What if your spouse loses their job?

What if your wife wants to stay home with kids?

These are no longer choices you can make.


You're caveating your arguement because you are against personal debt as a principle. All of those things are valid, but not part of the OP so why are you considering them in the advice given in this situation.

I don't have a spouse so why would I use that when calculating my finances?
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
21314 posts
Posted on 11/8/18 at 1:57 pm to
quote:

You're caveating your arguement because you are against personal debt as a principle. All of those things are valid, but not part of the OP so why are you considering them in the advice given in this situation.

I don't have a spouse so why would I use that when calculating my finances?


The OP said up front he is married.

I am not against debt and made that clear.

Nothing about my post is about principle.

The only point I am making is there is costs to keeping debt that is very hard to quantify and too often people don't consider it.
This post was edited on 11/8/18 at 1:59 pm
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