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re: Ignoring the recruiting aspect, is Leach a top 3 coach?
Posted on 9/26/20 at 7:55 pm to hendersonshands
Posted on 9/26/20 at 7:55 pm to hendersonshands
Posted on 9/26/20 at 8:00 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Chad Morris has his own offense but it's a spinoff from Leach's offense, which isn't that dissimilar to what lots of Leach guys were running. it's all based off the concepts of the Leach offense, just with more motion
I agree with the overall Leach take, but what in the fvck is this nonsense? Morris’ offense is closer to the wing-t than it is the Air Raid. They’re literally not even remotely similar.
Posted on 9/26/20 at 8:16 pm to NolaLovingClemsonFan
a wing T that uses everything Leach teaches for passing
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spread and tempo are leach progeny
i said he uses motion, which was his spin (and not really leach progeny)
this is literally the Leach philosophy and why his passing concepts have revolutionized passing, from high school to the NFL
Morris took option and then used the Leach offense and its concepts around the option so that it wasn't a dinosaur
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The modern elements added by Morris include spread alignments, the forward pass, motion, and tempo.
spread and tempo are leach progeny
i said he uses motion, which was his spin (and not really leach progeny)
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Morris could try to have a million concepts to answer a million problems. But he would rather contain multiple answers within the same concepts. He can still use diversity -- of formations, personnel groupings, or options within a play -- but focuses on fully mastering a few versatile plans of attack.
this is literally the Leach philosophy and why his passing concepts have revolutionized passing, from high school to the NFL
Morris took option and then used the Leach offense and its concepts around the option so that it wasn't a dinosaur
Posted on 9/26/20 at 9:06 pm to SlowFlowPro
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The modern elements added by Morris include spread alignments, the forward pass, motion, and tempo.
spread and tempo are leach progeny
i said he uses motion, which was his spin (and not really leach progeny)
You’re assigning any team that runs the spread as being a Leach discipline? That’s madness.
Everything about Morris’ offense is different from Leach’s. The OL splits are different (he does not use the ultra wide splits Leach uses). The personnel are different (the H-back is critical in his scheme which Leach doesn’t have). The run concepts are different (he largely relies on power and lead concepts which Leach doesn’t use). Even the passing concepts are different as he’s a super play action heavy team whereas Leach doesn’t have that.
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Morris could try to have a million concepts to answer a million problems. But he would rather contain multiple answers within the same concepts. He can still use diversity -- of formations, personnel groupings, or options within a play -- but focuses on fully mastering a few versatile plans of attack.
This is literally the Leach philosophy and why his passing concepts have revolutionized passing, from high school to the NFL
Man I love me some Leach, but every team at all levels of football is starting to do this. That doesn’t mean they all stole from Leach or are Leach disciples. The Patriots did thus when they started going no huddle heavy years ago. Is McDaniels a Leach disciple? The Rams do this. Is McVay a Leach disciple?
I guess you could say that most offenses have started to adopt similar methodologies, but lumping Morris and Malzahn in with Leach is just not right as the mechanics of the offenses could not be more dissimilar.
Posted on 9/26/20 at 9:16 pm to LawDawg1
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LawDawg1
Massive homer, little assessment
Posted on 9/26/20 at 9:17 pm to NolaLovingClemsonFan
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You’re assigning any team that runs the spread as being a Leach discipline? That’s madness.
It's his offense. Well Mumme, too, but Leach has shown to be the real brains with the real historical imprint.
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Man I love me some Leach, but every team at all levels of football is starting to do this.
Because of Leach, lol
He revolutionized passing at every level of football
Posted on 9/26/20 at 9:20 pm to NolaLovingClemsonFan
I think the main point here is that Hal Mumme created the Air Raid and Leach took it and perfected it. I will say this with my UF homer glasses on. Spurrier showed us that you can win big by throwing the ball a lot even though what he technically did wasn’t the air raid.
And I don’t believe he is saying that Leach invented the spread, just that teams that use the spread option adopt the passing elements of the air raid into their offense.
And I don’t believe he is saying that Leach invented the spread, just that teams that use the spread option adopt the passing elements of the air raid into their offense.
Posted on 9/26/20 at 9:43 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Because of Leach, lol
He revolutionized passing at every level of football
Lol, that is a vast oversimplification, but o well.
Posted on 9/26/20 at 9:45 pm to CockCommander
Not much assessment required. Watch the UCLA game last year. Watch any close game where he can’t run the clock out. Read this:
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Posted on 9/26/20 at 9:45 pm to olemc999
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Hal Mumme created the Air Raid
They both did. Leach was his OC
We can see who bore the load in that duo in hindsight
Posted on 9/26/20 at 9:47 pm to olemc999
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And I don’t believe he is saying that Leach invented the spread, just that teams that use the spread option adopt the passing elements of the air raid into their offense.
But there’s literally NOTHING about Leach’s offense that Morris adopted. The protections are different, the route tree is different, the personnel are different. Morris himself has said that his passing attack is predicated and based upon play action. He’s more similar to Shanahan / McVay than anything Leach does.
I LOVE me some Leach, but to say that he gets credit for every team’s passing game if they pass from spread looks is just too generous.
Posted on 9/26/20 at 10:28 pm to SlowFlowPro
If you wanna get technical about it, the whole concept of the system was born from Lavelle Edwards.
This post was edited on 9/26/20 at 10:42 pm
Posted on 9/26/20 at 10:51 pm to SlowFlowPro
I think his recruiting skills have been greatly limited at the stops he's been a HC at. Lubbock and Pullman are horrible places to recruit to. MSU is a little better in that regard, so I am not sure how well you can judge him as a recruiter.
That said, talent-wise as a coach, he's easily top 5. He's put up prolific offenses at both his previous stops in P5 conferences and that was with built-in talent disadvantages.
That said, talent-wise as a coach, he's easily top 5. He's put up prolific offenses at both his previous stops in P5 conferences and that was with built-in talent disadvantages.
Posted on 9/27/20 at 1:03 am to Geauxgurt
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Lubbock and Pullman
Have you been to either?
Posted on 9/27/20 at 1:41 am to SlowFlowPro
His QB throws for over 600 yards...and he's asked what did you think of your quarterback...
And Leach says, "well I think it was a good start but he's got to improve on some things."
Welcome to Pac12 football in the SEC.
Ed O: "We couldn't cover their receivers." DB U? fricking SEC lets the Pirate in Conference...should've kept him out. First day, he blows up the SEC. Most passing yards in the history of the SEC. Ah, but Big12/Pac12 football would never work in the SEC.
And Leach says, "well I think it was a good start but he's got to improve on some things."
Welcome to Pac12 football in the SEC.
Ed O: "We couldn't cover their receivers." DB U? fricking SEC lets the Pirate in Conference...should've kept him out. First day, he blows up the SEC. Most passing yards in the history of the SEC. Ah, but Big12/Pac12 football would never work in the SEC.
This post was edited on 9/27/20 at 1:48 am
Posted on 9/27/20 at 7:15 am to TheeRealCarolina
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You think Dabo and Meyer would get top 5 classes to Lubbock and fricking Pullman? Lol.
So I guess we can say it won’t happen in Starkville as well
Posted on 10/31/20 at 9:26 pm to CockCommander
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Massive homer, little assessment
How’s you’re defense of Leach coming along? Still little assessment?
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