- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: .
Posted on 11/2/18 at 4:30 pm to CelticDog
Posted on 11/2/18 at 4:30 pm to CelticDog
quote:
1. Its not the definition of insurance to force companies to cover known expense. If congress supports caring for the sick, just charge the treasury.
Correct.
quote:What do you mean?
2. Big questions. What about your Neighbors?
As for partnership with Jesus
This post was edited on 11/2/18 at 4:31 pm
Posted on 11/2/18 at 4:30 pm to cahoots
Personally against pre-existing conditions, but I would be wiling to compromise. You can get covered for pre-existing conditions if you had health insurance for at least 2 of the previous 5 years.
Posted on 11/2/18 at 5:03 pm to cahoots
Republicans, and many of their supporters are in a bind because the arguments aren't even solid. US healthcare isn't a market system, yet many conservatives are arguing for market solutions.
It's a giant mess, and the Republicans need to design a new system. I say go for the Swiss model.
It's a giant mess, and the Republicans need to design a new system. I say go for the Swiss model.
Posted on 11/2/18 at 5:20 pm to cahoots
Republicans think covering pre-existing conditions is charity paid through insurance companies.
They have also conceded defeat on the issue so it is no longer a wedge.
They have also conceded defeat on the issue so it is no longer a wedge.
Posted on 11/2/18 at 5:25 pm to Wtodd
quote:
quote: They have flip flopped No, they have evolved Am I doing it right?
As of October 28, 2018
Posted on 11/2/18 at 8:45 pm to ShortyRob
quote:
You don't oppose fraudulent campaigning in the slightest.
Another brainless post.
Is this straight out fraudulent campaigning? Yes or no.
Do you ever give a straight answer?
Posted on 11/3/18 at 11:31 pm to Tridentds
The idea that you can just go out and buy insurance "when you need it" illustrates a serious misunderstanding of how the Affordable Care Act actually works. With very few exceptions (and sickness and injury aren't one of them), you can only buy health insurance thru the ACA Marketplace one time a year...between Nov 1st and Dec 15th. So, if you're diagnosed with Stage 4 Colon Cancer on February 1st, and you think you can just delay treatment until you get coverage, you're not only wrong...but dead wrong. In one year (almost to the day), since my diagnosis, my insurance carrier has been billed approximately $550,000 for my cancer surgery and treatments. I've paid roughly $13000 of that... in addition to about $23000 in monthly premiums...and the rest was either paid by BCBS and/or discounted via contractual max billing. The point being is that all it takes is one significant illness to bankrupt someone who thought it was a good idea to forego coverage "until they needed it". Some health issues can be successfully delayed until coverage is obtained...but the more serious ones cannot. Do you really want to take that chance?
Posted on 11/4/18 at 1:28 am to cahoots
quote:
However, we all know that Obamacare was nearly killed and is currently being dismantled anyway.
Good, let states deal with it...
Before insurance companies took on the mantle many states had sound infrastructure to provide medical assistance for citizens...
This post was edited on 11/4/18 at 1:29 am
Posted on 11/4/18 at 7:03 am to cahoots
You know I get to thinking the right has some sense and then this issue pops up again.
Pre existing conditions are covered in the US...they have been FOR YEARS..,...since at least the 1970 s. I thought y’all knew from birth there ain’t no free lunch? Yet here y’all are conversation going about who is going to pay for pre existing conditions...as if it is open for debate. It’s like asking who is going to pay for shoplifting at WalMart....EERYBODY knows that WalMart SHOPPERS pay for shoplifting.....but somehow y’all seem to think this does not apply to healthcare....it is truly astonishing that so many people, many very successful and obviously not stupid...can be so out of touch with reality on this issue.
I will attempt to explain, once again, something that all of you already know but refuse to accept. IF you pay for your own healthcare costs yourself you are also paying the costs for those who can’t or won’t pay....it’s really just that simple.....it is exactly the same thing as someone walk8ng out of Walmart with a pair of rustler jeans they either can’t or won’t pay for....everybody who DOES pay for rustler jeans makes up the loss....WalMart ain’t making it up out of their end....and neither are healthcare providers.
The difference is that healthcare providers are expected to provide without regard to ability to pay....when they don’t and are exposed they are vilified.....most will provide with no regard to ability to pay because they are healers...it’s what 5hey do....if you doubt this please, for the love of god, explain the HUGE medical debt collection industry.
So....a person has a pre existing condition...let’s say diabetes......they lose their health care for whatever reason.....and can’t or won’t afford a new policy that will cover their condition. In the GOP world, what happens? Because in the real world what happens is that person usually becomes a burden on the paying medical consumer ANYWAY.....they get treatment, they get discounted medication...and those of us who pay our bills are subsidizing that pair of rustler jeans. There ain’t no free lunch.....
So how do you prevent providers from forcing paying customers to subsidize the non paying customer? The most efficient way is to eliminate the number of non paying customers.....and there are a couple of ways to do this....offer them medical insurance they can afford, which will still be subsidized but to a smaller degree....or let them die as their choice has consequences. I know y’all like the latter idea and I feel you....the problem is that as a society we don’t have the stomachs for it...and providers particularly don’t have the stomach for it.....
Pre existing conditions are covered in the US...they have been FOR YEARS..,...since at least the 1970 s. I thought y’all knew from birth there ain’t no free lunch? Yet here y’all are conversation going about who is going to pay for pre existing conditions...as if it is open for debate. It’s like asking who is going to pay for shoplifting at WalMart....EERYBODY knows that WalMart SHOPPERS pay for shoplifting.....but somehow y’all seem to think this does not apply to healthcare....it is truly astonishing that so many people, many very successful and obviously not stupid...can be so out of touch with reality on this issue.
I will attempt to explain, once again, something that all of you already know but refuse to accept. IF you pay for your own healthcare costs yourself you are also paying the costs for those who can’t or won’t pay....it’s really just that simple.....it is exactly the same thing as someone walk8ng out of Walmart with a pair of rustler jeans they either can’t or won’t pay for....everybody who DOES pay for rustler jeans makes up the loss....WalMart ain’t making it up out of their end....and neither are healthcare providers.
The difference is that healthcare providers are expected to provide without regard to ability to pay....when they don’t and are exposed they are vilified.....most will provide with no regard to ability to pay because they are healers...it’s what 5hey do....if you doubt this please, for the love of god, explain the HUGE medical debt collection industry.
So....a person has a pre existing condition...let’s say diabetes......they lose their health care for whatever reason.....and can’t or won’t afford a new policy that will cover their condition. In the GOP world, what happens? Because in the real world what happens is that person usually becomes a burden on the paying medical consumer ANYWAY.....they get treatment, they get discounted medication...and those of us who pay our bills are subsidizing that pair of rustler jeans. There ain’t no free lunch.....
So how do you prevent providers from forcing paying customers to subsidize the non paying customer? The most efficient way is to eliminate the number of non paying customers.....and there are a couple of ways to do this....offer them medical insurance they can afford, which will still be subsidized but to a smaller degree....or let them die as their choice has consequences. I know y’all like the latter idea and I feel you....the problem is that as a society we don’t have the stomachs for it...and providers particularly don’t have the stomach for it.....
Posted on 11/4/18 at 8:05 am to TeLeFaWx
quote:Just think if this argument was used for slavery. “Slaves aren’t free. We should come up with a new way to enslave them”.
Republicans, and many of their supporters are in a bind because the arguments aren't even solid. US healthcare isn't a market system, yet many conservatives are arguing for market solutions.
Posted on 11/4/18 at 8:05 am to Rock the Casbah
quote:Actions made under threat are NEVER charity.
Republicans think covering pre-existing conditions is charity paid through insurance companies.
Posted on 11/4/18 at 8:07 am to Wes Tweegan
quote:Nope. The fact that you can buy insurance against known conditions in the next open enrollment period is the problem. The timing isn’t relevant.
you can only buy health insurance thru the ACA Marketplace one time a year...between Nov 1st and Dec 15th. So, if you're diagnosed with Stage 4 Colon Cancer on February 1st, and you think you can just delay treatment until you get coverage, you're not only wrong...but dead wrong.
Posted on 11/4/18 at 8:08 am to germandawg
quote:People know this. And they know the ACA helps people shoplift healthcare from healthier and younger “shoppers”.
EERYBODY knows that WalMart SHOPPERS pay for shoplifting.....but somehow y’all seem to think this does not apply to healthcare..
It’s hilarious to me when proponents tell us the ACA is needed because here are too many free riders...when the ACA drastically made free riding easier than ever before. It made it mandatory for many uninsurable people.
This post was edited on 11/4/18 at 8:10 am
Posted on 11/4/18 at 8:14 am to cahoots
quote:
How can you bash obamacare for increasing premiums and then support the very provision that increases premiums?
gop was getting killed on that issue.
What's new
Offering low cost plans with fewer coverages.
This post was edited on 11/4/18 at 8:16 am
Posted on 11/5/18 at 12:50 pm to Taxing Authority
quote:
Just think if this argument was used for slavery. “Slaves aren’t free. We should come up with a new way to enslave them”.
Incredible false equivalency. Teddy Roosevelt saved capitalism in the United States by trust busting and things like the Pure Food and Drug Act. If you don't get that, you're missing the forest through the trees. I'm advocating for the same in health care. US citizens have voting power, and a rise to populism is inevitable when corporatism rears its ugly head.
Advocating for the Swiss model, which is not a pure free market system, but has far more market forces at work than what we currently have, isn't the same as advocating for socialized medicine. Far from it.
Posted on 11/5/18 at 12:57 pm to Taxing Authority
quote:
Actions made under threat are NEVER charity.
The intent of the rule is charity, but you are correct - it’s a tax.
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News