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re: OT Lawyers (and Doctors, to a degree)
Posted on 11/2/18 at 1:59 pm to cupchu1
Posted on 11/2/18 at 1:59 pm to cupchu1
If you couldn’t sue someone for every single perceived mistake then maybe they wouldn’t be so liberal with calling the chopper
If I could get sued for not calling the chopper you bet your arse I’m calling it every time. Especially if the patient is paying
So silly
If I could get sued for not calling the chopper you bet your arse I’m calling it every time. Especially if the patient is paying
So silly
Posted on 11/2/18 at 2:32 pm to biglego
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It’s HIPAA, dumbasses
Well, that changes everything! If I change that P to an A in the OP, I should be relieved of obligation to pay anything. No lawyer needed. Thanks a ton, man.
Posted on 11/2/18 at 2:40 pm to boxcarbarney
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A spokeswoman for Air Evac Lifeteam said the company bills people so much because it is trying to make up for what she said are meager payments from Medicare and Medicaid.
"Our real cost per flight is the $10,200 plus the unreimbursed cost on each flight for Medicare, Medicaid and patients without any coverage," wrote Shelly Schneider, the company spokeswoman.
The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services said it pays an average of $4,624 per ride, plus $31.67 a mile, which works out to an average Medicare reimbursement of $6,556 for helicopter ambulance rides for seniors. Medicaid in most states pays less.
So a government run insurance plan fricks people who actually pay for their own insurance? Shocking.
This is what you took from this? Not that the ambulance company is overcharging, and further charging the patient through aggressive collection tactics, for what insurance doesn't pay?
Acadian Refuses to enter into any contract with any health care provider so that they can bilk both the insurance company and the patient. They call in the helicopter for minor injuries.
You should see what they charge for an ambulance ride. I've seen them charge $1500 for each child passenger. they can pack three kids in a wagon to take 2 miles to a hospital and charge $4500. That's bullshite.
Posted on 11/2/18 at 2:42 pm to High C
If the wreck wasn’t your son’s fault, they might be trying to get a piece of the auto insurance pie (from the guy who hit your son).
Posted on 11/2/18 at 3:53 pm to Ric Flair
I should clarify. It was a single car accident, all of this is with my health insurance.
Posted on 11/2/18 at 4:08 pm to High C
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I should clarify. It was a single car accident, all of this is with my health insurance.
See my post. then google balance billing in Louisiana. Acadian refuses to have provider contracts with insurers. Insurance only covers up to a certain amount. The remainder is "balance billed" by Acadian. The balance can be the difference in whatever Acadian wants to charge and what insurance pays.
I don't want to give you legal advice. Call an attorney.
Posted on 11/2/18 at 4:23 pm to Motorboat
I understand. I have contacted a lawyer since I started this thread.
Posted on 11/2/18 at 4:32 pm to High C
Both of my parents have been Med Flighted over the past year. About 60 miles each time.
$18k for each trip.
$46k is ludicrous.
$18k for each trip.
$46k is ludicrous.
Posted on 11/2/18 at 4:34 pm to Motorboat
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You should see what they charge for an ambulance ride. I've seen them charge $1500 for each child passenger. they can pack three kids in a wagon to take 2 miles to a hospital and charge $4500. That's bull shite.
If there is so much profit there then start your own ambulance company and charge less. That’s the beauty of capitalism.
Once we are all riding around in government ambulances there won’t be any competition. The politicians will give the contracts to their buddies and they will add it to the tab of national debt and taxes
Posted on 11/2/18 at 4:50 pm to BuckyCheese
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Both of my parents have been Med Flighted over the past year. About 60 miles each time.
$18k for each trip.
$46k is ludicrous.
His trip was only about 25 miles. The bill read that it was $31,900 as soon as the helicopter touched down at the scene. The other $14k+ was mileage.
Posted on 11/2/18 at 5:02 pm to High C
Not sure how much a helicopter cost but 3 more airlifts and its probably paid off...
Posted on 11/2/18 at 5:14 pm to High C
I don’t have any direct knowledge of the real expense of this. I’m sure that it’s very expensive to keep a team and helicopter ready 24/7. However, there is no way in hell that from the time the helicopter crew got the call to the point that they landed at the trauma hospital resulted in $46,000 of expenses.
What is likely happening is that the insurance company paid on their scale of direct cost of the trip and the billing entitiy is fishing to see if they they can recoup more than that to get compensation for non-billable expenses to help their overhead.
A good lawyer could probably get the helicopter company to provide an itemized billing statement.
What is likely happening is that the insurance company paid on their scale of direct cost of the trip and the billing entitiy is fishing to see if they they can recoup more than that to get compensation for non-billable expenses to help their overhead.
A good lawyer could probably get the helicopter company to provide an itemized billing statement.
This post was edited on 11/2/18 at 5:16 pm
Posted on 11/2/18 at 5:25 pm to Scoop
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However, there is no way in hell that from the time the helicopter crew got the call to the point that they landed at the trauma hospital resulted in $46,000 of expenses.
I’m not saying you are wrong, but I don’t think you are looking at it the right way.
The helicopter company has to pay many highly trained nurses (CRNAs) and pilots to be on call 24/7 whether they fly or not. And they pay them many multiples of their normal salaries.
Maybe the problem is that there aren’t enough flights? Just a thought
If you have to pay all these highly trained people to just sit and wait, as well as helicopter maintenance. And you rarely take a flight... it’s going to be expensive when you do
Posted on 11/2/18 at 5:46 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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The helicopter company has to pay many highly trained nurses (CRNAs) and pilots to be on call 24/7 whether they fly or not. And they pay them many multiples of their normal salaries.
I don’t think I’m looking at it wrong at all.
Is an ER patient billed directly for the time the ER is staffed when they were not there?
Posted on 11/2/18 at 5:58 pm to Scoop
I think a lot of what you are saying is true
But to address your point, the ED might have to charge $40,000 a patient if they only saw 1 patient per day.
Just something to think about.
How much would an MRI be if they only did 1 per day? What if they could do 1,000 per day?
But to address your point, the ED might have to charge $40,000 a patient if they only saw 1 patient per day.
Just something to think about.
How much would an MRI be if they only did 1 per day? What if they could do 1,000 per day?
Posted on 11/2/18 at 6:00 pm to Scoop
It costs like $3 mil a year just to maintain a chopper. That’s not even counting staffing and overhead costs which are probably more than that.
So if they take 1,000 flights a year they have to charge MUCH more to break even than if they make 10,000 flights per year
So if they take 1,000 flights a year they have to charge MUCH more to break even than if they make 10,000 flights per year
Posted on 11/2/18 at 6:09 pm to Dawgirl
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Never, ever sign anything without talking to a lawyer first
This is correct. Absolutely do not sign anything without consulting an attorney. You may be subjecting yourself to an unwanted obligation.
Posted on 11/2/18 at 6:24 pm to baldona
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$10,000 is more than reasonable IMO for a helicopter ride. $46k is absurd lol.
Sounds like you should start a company and takeover the market since you can do it so much cheaper
Posted on 11/2/18 at 6:45 pm to boxcarbarney
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So a government run insurance plan fricks people who actually pay for their own insurance? Shocking.
Looks to me like a government run insurance plan is capable of negotiating ideal rates for its customers. Imagine if we had universal healthcare like every other industrialized nation. OP wouldn’t be dealing with this shite.
Posted on 11/2/18 at 7:01 pm to High C
My wife was airlifted by Acadian Ambulance to New Orleans to get life saving surgery and the bill was $42,000, Blue Cross paid 17K and they sent me a bill for $750 which I paid with the swiftness (part of meeting my out of pocket max). In this case the cost of the ride was worth it but they charged too much.
The problem is they are a monopoly so what are you going to do when it is life threatening need?
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Sounds like you should start a company and takeover the market since you can do it so much cheaper
The problem is they are a monopoly so what are you going to do when it is life threatening need?
This post was edited on 11/2/18 at 7:02 pm
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