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re: Allen Weisselberg Trump Organization CFO Granted Immunity in Cohen Investigation

Posted on 8/24/18 at 12:34 pm to
Posted by SDVTiger
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Posted on 8/24/18 at 12:34 pm to
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But what other criminal activity was going on in the Trump Organization?



Please explain what criminal activity was going on? I would love to know what you think
Posted by tigerinDC09
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Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 8/24/18 at 12:38 pm to
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I guess this is the sign that they are finally, for the first time ever, going to go after Trump and his organization. He was such a beloved character before he became president, nobody ever thought to look over the last 40 years.


White collar crime (esp in Real Estate) is rampant. My understanding is that prosecutors won't even look your way unless there a substantial amount or some public interest involved. Not enough prosecutorial resources.

The best analogy I have is Digital Media Bootlegging. Unless you're ripping SONY off for millions, the feds aren't coming for you.
Posted by tigerinDC09
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Posted on 8/24/18 at 12:43 pm to
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Please explain what criminal activity was going on? I would love to know what you think


How much Russian money has flowed into the Trump family and the Trump Organization since Trump suddenly and mysteriously became cash-rich in 2006?

Did all the foreign funds flowing into the Trump family and Trump Organization comply with applicable U.S. laws on taxation and money laundering?

Did the Trump family and Trump Organization themselves comply with all U.S. laws on taxation and money laundering?
Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 8/24/18 at 12:44 pm to
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How much Russian money has flowed into the Trump family and the Trump Organization since Trump suddenly and mysteriously became cash-rich in 2006?

Did all the foreign funds flowing into the Trump family and Trump Organization comply with applicable U.S. laws on taxation and money laundering?

Did the Trump family and Trump Organization themselves comply with all U.S. laws on taxation and money laundering?
Indepth clear cut criminal activity you laid out there.
Posted by Cosmo
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Posted on 8/24/18 at 12:44 pm to
Adorable
Posted by RogerThis
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Posted on 8/24/18 at 12:49 pm to
The government does not hand out immunity cards Willie Nilly. It’s not a crapshoot. Recipients must give them a pretty good idea of the information they have before they are granted immunity.
Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 8/24/18 at 12:49 pm to
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The government does not hand out immunity cards Willie Nilly. It’s not a crapshoot. Recipients must give them a pretty good idea of the information they have before they are granted immunity.

fricking alters.
Posted by GRTiger
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Posted on 8/24/18 at 12:52 pm to
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My understanding is that prosecutors won't even look your way unless there a substantial amount or some public interest involved. Not enough prosecutorial resources.


So you're presumption is Donald Trump flew under the radar until he had the audacity to wreck her turn?

1) You're not correct
2) How, if that is your understanding, can you not agree that this is a political witch hunt? You just laid it out by the definition.
Posted by tigerinDC09
Washington, DC
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 8/24/18 at 12:52 pm to
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Indepth clear cut criminal activity you laid out there.


Here's more on the foundation:

The foundation appears to have broken IRS rules on “self-dealing” by paying to resolve the legal disputes as well as buying a portrait of Trump and a Tim Tebow helmet that went back to the Trump family. In November, in tax filings posted online, the Trump Foundation said it had violated self-dealing rules in 2015 and in previous, indeterminate, years. On the donation, Trump and Bondi both say there was no quid-pro-quo, but the donation was an illegal one for a charitable nonprofit, and the foundation had to pay a $2,500 fine. Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington charges other laws may have been broken as well.
Posted by LouisvilleKat
Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 8/24/18 at 12:55 pm to
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Here's more on the foundation:
The Trump foundation is a separate entity from the Trump Organization though isn't it. One is the for profit company the other is the Charity wing they steal money from.
Posted by tigerinDC09
Washington, DC
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 8/24/18 at 12:57 pm to
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So you're presumption is Donald Trump flew under the radar until he had the audacity to wreck her turn?


Like I said, prosecutors don't have to resources to do the legwork of evidence needed to start an investigation on every white collar criminal.

When you have the media vetting a Presidential candidate you have investigative journalists like David Farnenthold doing the work that prosecutors would be doing if they had the resources. Once he exposed the evidence do you want them to just ignore it?
This post was edited on 8/24/18 at 12:58 pm
Posted by tigerinDC09
Washington, DC
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 8/24/18 at 12:59 pm to
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The Trump foundation is a separate entity from the Trump Organization though isn't it. One is the for profit company the other is the Charity wing they steal money from.


Oh you are correct, but the same people in charge of the Trump Org serve on the Foundation board.

Crimes could originate from either or both. We know there are active state and/or federal investigations into both.
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
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Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 8/24/18 at 12:59 pm to
Are you under the impression that a president pence would be different, policy-wise, than donald trump?

There has to be more to your angle here. None of this stuff means you are going to stop conservative policy.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 8/24/18 at 1:01 pm to
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Crimes could originate from either or both. We know there are active state and/or federal investigations into both.


There is zero evidence of crimes. The AG, so far, has said they are looking into self dealing. That isn’t a crime. They are fishing for something, as are you. I like your tenacity...you will think you are about to get him right up to mid January 2025.
This post was edited on 8/24/18 at 1:11 pm
Posted by SDVTiger
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Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 8/24/18 at 1:03 pm to
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How much Russian money has flowed into the Trump family and the Trump Organization since Trump suddenly and mysteriously became cash-rich in 2006?


How much? What criminal activity? You consistently embarrass yourself

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by paying to resolve the legal disputes as well as buying a portrait of Trump and a Tim Tebow helmet that went back to the Trump family


Now you are bringing Tebow in this
This post was edited on 8/24/18 at 1:05 pm
Posted by tigerinDC09
Washington, DC
Member since Nov 2011
4741 posts
Posted on 8/24/18 at 1:10 pm to
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There is zero evidence of crimes. He AG, so far, has said they are looking into self dealing. That isn’t a crime. They are fishing for something, as are you. I like your tenacity...you will think you are about to get him right up to mid January 2025.


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It appears that Trump and his associates have been trying to cover their tracks because a more recent USA Today scoop reported that “Since President Trump won the Republican nomination, the majority of his companies’ real estate sales are to secretive shell companies that obscure the buyers’ identities.” But, despite these attempts at concealment, Reuters reported “at least 63 individuals with Russian passports or addresses have bought at least $98.4 million worth of property in seven Trump-branded luxury towers in southern Florida.” Eric Trump reportedly bragged in 2014 that Russian investors were funding Trump’s golf courses.

Such reports, partial and incomplete as they are, make a mockery of Trump’s carefully worded non-denial: “I can tell you, speaking for myself, I own nothing in Russia. I have no loans in Russia. I don’t have any deals in Russia.”
Posted by MizzouBS
Missouri
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 8/24/18 at 1:13 pm to
It’s hard to say what the CFO of a company doesn’t know after working there for decades.

Since he signed the immunity deal it could range from tax, bank, or bankruptcy fraud. It could also include using company money for payoffs, bribery, etc....

Who knows what he is telling Mueller, but now that he has the immunity deal he can’t take the 5th in front of a grand jury or congress. Having his testimony in front of congress is just as good as having Trump’s tax returns.

His immunity deal is a much bigger problem than Cohen. Cohen has worked with Trump for about 10 years. Weisselberg has worked for the Trump’s for around 40 years. He is not only the CFO, but he handles the family finances and one of the two trustees of the Trump Organization. (DJT jr. Is the other trustee)

He will know more about Trump than anyone else. Anything the Democrats won’t to know it is now open season when he comes before congress.
Posted by tigerinDC09
Washington, DC
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 8/24/18 at 1:13 pm to
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How much? What criminal activity? You consistently embarrass yourself


Mueller and Weissman are elbow deep in his financial records... I would be terrified.
Posted by tigerinDC09
Washington, DC
Member since Nov 2011
4741 posts
Posted on 8/24/18 at 1:15 pm to
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It’s hard to say what the CFO of a company doesn’t know after working there for decades. Since he signed the immunity deal it could range from tax, bank, or bankruptcy fraud. It could also include using company money for payoffs, bribery, etc....


And Trump had a reputation of having to sign off on every transaction that went out of the Trump Organization. If there are financial crimes in the Trump Org it can't be disconnected from Trump.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
49014 posts
Posted on 8/24/18 at 1:17 pm to
That’s some rock solid “evidence”. Take a deep breath, enjoy your tax break and your 401(k) growth. You can get back to the conspiracies next week.
This post was edited on 8/24/18 at 1:19 pm
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