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re: Weird and sketchy federal behavior surrounds New Mexico terror training compound

Posted on 8/17/18 at 12:31 pm to
Posted by Wtodd
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Posted on 8/17/18 at 12:31 pm to
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What’s funny is that years ago I would have never believed this.

Certainly is level 8 frickery
Posted by AUstar
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 8/17/18 at 12:35 pm to
Ok, I am confused. Was this boy kidnapped from random people in Georgia or was he the biological son of some of these cult members?

Also, the NBC article said the main cult leader believed he was going to die and be resurrected as Jesus. Sounds odd for a Moslem.
This post was edited on 8/17/18 at 12:36 pm
Posted by PsychTiger
Member since Jul 2004
99663 posts
Posted on 8/17/18 at 12:37 pm to
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Are we simply going to learn that the Feds are incompetent in almost every area?


I must apologize to the folks pictured below. It turns out their portrayal of the FBI was spot on after all.

Posted by PsychTiger
Member since Jul 2004
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Posted on 8/17/18 at 12:38 pm to
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Wasn’t there similar lack of protecting evidence in the San Bernardino shootings?


Precisely
Posted by BIGFOOD
Member since Jun 2011
12594 posts
Posted on 8/17/18 at 12:53 pm to
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Was this boy kidnapped from random people in Georgia or was he the biological son of some of these cult members?



I haven't been following this story closely but I believe the boy was the biological son.

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main cult leader believed he was going to die and be resurrected as Jesus. Sounds odd for a Moslem.



I don't think it's odd. Jesus is one of the great messengers of God to the Islamic faith and one of their greatest prophets. They just don't believe he is the Son of God.
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 8/17/18 at 8:39 pm to
I wonder how it is they finally got caught.
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 8/17/18 at 8:45 pm to
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I wonder how it is they finally got caught.




totally by accident?
Posted by bhtigerfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 8/17/18 at 9:00 pm to
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FBI needs to be cleansed of incompetent agents. This is ridiculous.
Who the frick are they hiring nowadays? Goddamn gender studies grads?
Posted by bhtigerfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
29843 posts
Posted on 8/17/18 at 9:05 pm to
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After the handling of the Clinton investigation, the baseless trump Russian collusion investigation, the fact that they never interviewed the school shooter in Florida, and of course how they have handled the Vegas shooting, I have absolutely no trust in the fbi whatsoever.
Don't forget about the 2 Muslim nutjobs from Arizona who drove to Dallas to shoot up the "Draw Muhammad" contest. They actually followed them to the event and didn't inform local law enforcement.
Posted by TopJimmy
Heart of Dixie
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 8/17/18 at 9:09 pm to
If Obama had a son...
Posted by IllegalPete
Front Range
Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 8/17/18 at 10:44 pm to
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I wonder how it is they finally got caught.



Local Paper
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According to court documents filed by Taos County Sheriff Jerry Hogrefe, the FBI had the compound under aerial surveillance for about two months, but never moved in on the property. Among the adults and children they could see on the ground was a boy walking with a limp, according to a search warrant Hogrefe's office prepared.

The sheriff said the situation changed after his office was alerted by a Clayton County police detective, who said he had received a message from one of the "females asking for help, stating the family was starving and needed money and food."



You read that right.

The FBI had them under surveillance for 2 months.

The 3 year old was alive and walking around.

The only reason the raid occured is because the local sheriff's dept spoke with Georgia and learned that the women and children on the property were starving to death. The locals initiated the raid.

Unfortunately by that point the 3 year old was dead.

Good job FBI.
This post was edited on 8/17/18 at 10:46 pm
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 8/18/18 at 7:03 am to
sad.
Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
19674 posts
Posted on 8/18/18 at 7:12 am to
Hold on, they let these guy go with no bail?
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
148131 posts
Posted on 8/18/18 at 7:22 am to
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Judge sets bail for adults arrested at New Mexico compound - Chronicle-Telegram

TAOS, N.M. — A state judge on Monday cleared the way for five defendants who were arrested on child abuse charges at a remote New Mexico compound to be released pending trial despite authorities’ suspicions that the group was training children to use firearms for an anti-government mission.

Judge Sarah Backus set a $20,000 bond for each defendant and ordered that the two men and three women wear ankle monitors, have weekly contact with their attorneys, not consume alcohol and have no firearms.

Police raided the property — a squalid makeshift living compound near the Colorado state line — more than a week ago in response a report of children living in filth, severe hunger and dangers including a leaky propone tank. Five adults were arrested and 11 children were placed in state custody.

Prosecutors presented evidence that Siraj Ibn Wahhaj provided some of the children with firearms training — including tactical skills such as “speed loading” guns and firing while in motion. Aside from some rifles, handguns and ammunition, authorities say they found books on being effective in combat and building untraceable assault-style rifles.

Defense attorneys argued that prosecutors were unfairly painting their clients as armed militants as the rifles and handguns found on the property are common guns that can be bought at retail stores and their clients made no aggressive efforts to defend their compound as authorities closed in to serve search warrants earlier this month.

“There was no gun battle, there was no resistance,” said Tom Clark, the attorney representing Siraj Ibn Wahhaj.

Clark said his client had permits to carry his weapons and no criminal record — accusing prosecutors of holding adults at the compound to an unusual standard because of their race and Muslim faith.

“They are black and they are Muslim,” Clark said. “If these were white people of Christian faith who owned guns, it's not a big deal. ... But they look different and they worship different than the rest of us.”

Prosecutors denied any discriminatory treatment based on religious background or race, and warned that the defendants came to New Mexico with their children on a violent and dangerous mission.

“This was not a camping trip and this was not a simple homestead of the kind that many people do in New Mexico,” said Deputy District Attorney Timothy Hasson.

Judge Backus said prosecutors failed to articulate any specific threats or plan against the community, despite providing concerning information.

“What I've heard here today is troubling, definitely. Troubling facts about numerous children in far from ideal circumstances and individuals who are living in a very unconventional way,” Backus said.

Despite the release terms, Siraj Ibn Wahhaj is likely to remain in jail pending a warrant for his arrest in Georgia on accusations that he abducted his own son, Abdul-ghani, from the boy's mother in December and fled to New Mexico. The four other defendants — Jany Leveille, Lucas Morton, Subhannah Wahhaj and Hujrah Wahhaj — may be released on house arrest as soon as Tuesday.

Family members say the remains of a boy found at the compound last week are those of Wahhaj's disabled son, though state medical examiners have not yet identified the body conclusively. Taos County Sheriff Jerry Hogrefe testified Monday that the remains of a young boy were found inside tunnels that had been dug from inside the compound to an opening 100 feet (30 meters) away.

Testimony from an FBI agent shed some new light on the fate of the disabled child Abdul-ghani.

Agent Travis Taylor described interviews with two children from the compound, ages 13 and 15, after they were taken into protective custody by the state.

The 15-year-old described attempts to cast demonic spirits from Abdul-ghani's body through a ritual that involved reading passages from the Quran while Siraj Ibn Wahhaj held a hand on the boy's forehead, and that Abdul-ghani apparently died after one of the sessions, Taylor said.

He said the children were told that Abdul-ghani would be resurrected as Jesus and “would instruct others on the property about what corrupt institutions to get rid of,” in reference to financial and government institutions that might include schools.
Backus Is Receiving Backlash After Handing Down a Weak Bail Amount to Five People Suspected of Training Children to Conduct School Shootings

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Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
148131 posts
Posted on 8/18/18 at 7:27 am to
Judge didn't see any evidence yet MSM news is reporting burner cell phone boxes---all kinds of evidence. Judge wanted abuse evidence but what they were doing there is enough evidence...

makes.no.sense-inept FBI what else is new?
This post was edited on 8/18/18 at 7:34 am
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
148131 posts
Posted on 8/18/18 at 7:30 am to
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Judge Sarah Backus set a $20,000 bond for each defendant and ordered that the two men and three women wear ankle monitors, have weekly contact with their attorneys, not consume alcohol and have no firearms.
What do you think radical terrorists will do to get out of their 'ankle monitors'? Judge the deep state controls-- was probably ordered to let them slide because the deep state fake arse school shooting and basic terrorism camp on our soil ploy was exposed.
This post was edited on 8/18/18 at 7:34 am
Posted by Boatshoes
Member since Dec 2017
6775 posts
Posted on 8/18/18 at 7:33 am to
Dem judge released them without bail.

New Mexico jihad compound murder suspect lived in US illegally for 20 years
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“One of the suspects from the “extremist Muslin” [sic] compound in New Mexico where a child was found dead has been living in the U.S. illegally for 20 years, authorities say.

Immigration officials detained Jany Leveille, 35, after her arrest, saying, “Leveille has been unlawfully present in the U.S. for more than 20 years after overstaying the validity of her non-immigrant visitor visa,” according to Fox News.

Leveille reportedly moved to New York from Haiti in 1998. She began moving from place to place over the ensuing years, living in cities such as Philadelphia and New York. She also lived in Georgia.

She married Siraj Ibn Wahhaj and in January moved to the compound in New Mexico….”
This post was edited on 8/18/18 at 7:34 am
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
148131 posts
Posted on 8/18/18 at 7:35 am to
Judge was appointed by a R Gov. so she is deep state controlled, same thing as a prog judge.
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
In a sea of cognitive dissonance
Member since Mar 2013
11100 posts
Posted on 8/19/18 at 8:44 am to
Posted by BRgetthenet
Member since Oct 2011
117769 posts
Posted on 8/19/18 at 8:47 am to
Nobody worth calling an American is calling you a conspiracy theorist.

It’s not a theory if it’s all based on facts. People are conspiring though, to lie and usurp the constitution. The levels of ignorance we see in this day and age of internet are depressing though.
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