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re: LSU OL deadlifts 605
Posted on 7/12/18 at 3:49 pm to Lester Earl
Posted on 7/12/18 at 3:49 pm to Lester Earl
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what should he be pulling?
Assuming he's about 250 pounds, which would be the weight class under the superheavies, 650 would be competitive for collegiate nationals. That would be fine.
However, I bet he's a superheavy. Good would be high 600's, ballpark 675-700. If that's your squat and DL, you can be competitive. So, again, 605 is ok. It's nothing to scoff at for someone who doesn't lift as their sport. But it's merely ok for a D1 scholarship athlete playing in the trenches in the SEC.
On the other hand, your high and mighty attitude on a subject you clearly don't know as much as others about reveals you to be, as the technical term goes, a dick.
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Posted on 7/12/18 at 3:58 pm to Barbellthor
You know he’s not a competitive weight lifter, right?
Posted on 7/12/18 at 4:01 pm to Murtown
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I've always thought dead lift was a stupid lift. Too much pulling up with your back. Also, what makes those shoes squat shoes?
Well, those are technically olympic lifting shoes. They have a raised heel, which is great for people with less ankle flexibility. It allows you to hit your depth without dropping your chest, knocking your knees, etc. because of that shoddy ankle flexibility.
Also, they have a strong, hard heel which cups your foot, giving you an exceptionally stable base while you have inordinate amount of weights on your back plus your body weight all on your tiny two feet. That way, the energy from driving upward doesn't dissipate through squishy running shoe heels, and your feet don't roll around under all that weight. So, naturally, they are a perfect squat shoe, not just for olympic lifting. That's what makes them squat shoes.
The guy in the video could be training in them because they raise your heels and change your angle, possibly putting more emphasis on certain muscle groups and/or parts of the lift (lockout, or creating a greater emphasis on keeping your chest up if you are weak in that area). I've had teammates do that. What I don't understand is him apparently maxing out in them.
And DL is a great lift (squat is the best, though). Of course you use your back. But if you're not rounding or letting your hips rise up right out of the gate, you will generally be OK. Consider trying sumo like the player in the video.
Posted on 7/12/18 at 4:01 pm to Lester Earl
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You know he’s not a competitive weight lifter, right?
I've said that in this thread more times than there were pounds on the bar. I have emphasized that in my critique at least twice.
Posted on 7/12/18 at 4:04 pm to Barbellthor
This dumbass here.. 
Posted on 7/12/18 at 4:05 pm to Barbellthor
Yet your critique is based on numbers expected of a full time weight lifter. If you don’t see the flaw in that, so be it.
And you are the only one acting like a know it all. I simply asked you a question. Don’t be so sensitive
And you are the only one acting like a know it all. I simply asked you a question. Don’t be so sensitive
Posted on 7/12/18 at 4:06 pm to TDcline
quote:says the guy with a fake tough guy, ballet dancer avi
to some of you non-athletes, this seems incredibly impressive
Posted on 7/12/18 at 4:08 pm to JBREAUX4LSU
What’s cool to me about that video is those two guys are battling for the starting RT position. Team chemistry/dynamics are important, good to see Deculus cheering him on.
I’m on record to say I believe Adrian will be the starter for the opener against the U
I’m on record to say I believe Adrian will be the starter for the opener against the U
This post was edited on 7/12/18 at 4:12 pm
Posted on 7/12/18 at 4:10 pm to TDcline
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I mean, sorry. It’s not all that impressive for a guy who weights 320+ to deadlift 600 pounds. Perhaps to some of you non-athletes, this seems incredibly impressive. Idk
You are soooo right. The math shows us that:
500/185 = x/320
x = (500*320)/185
Magee should clearly be lifting 865 lbs.
Does he even lift, bruh?
Posted on 7/12/18 at 4:16 pm to Lester Earl
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Yet your critique is based on numbers expected of a full time weight lifter. If you don’t see the flaw in that, so be it.
And you are the only one acting like a know it all. I simply asked you a question. Don’t be so sensitive
Yet my critique is not based on an exclusive lifter. I specifically said it was OK for a lineman in the SEC. I incidentally compared some collegiate powerlifting numbers to say that, while the lift would not be competitive for an exclusive lifter, they are good for him, though nothing more. Do not conflate the two.
And you didn't simply ask me a question. You called me a douchebag because I said 605 was good/ok. You are the one who needs to turn down the sensitivity.
It's whatever, though. Politics and the gym get people all pissy like nothing else. I'll just reiterate that, yea, it's a good lift. Nothing more. It's simply nothing like Guice squatting 650.
Posted on 7/12/18 at 4:20 pm to Barbellthor
I didn’t call you a douche bag
You sure did come out firing calling people ignorant though
You sure did come out firing calling people ignorant though
Posted on 7/12/18 at 4:28 pm to skullhawk
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I deadlift nearly 500 and I’m 185.
That’s not all that impressive tbh
250 lbs twice =500
Posted on 7/12/18 at 4:29 pm to JBREAUX4LSU
This will get downvoted viciously, but the people who know will understand.
I was a professional powerlifter, so I'm kinda biased on this. But I'm always surprised that these big guys aren't stronger in the gym than the numbers that get floated around. 605 deadlift for a big guy is really just average strong...
I was deadlifting around 700 in the 198 lb class. And there were a few guys in the 181 lb class that could deadlift like 750.
Same with bench press. People are amazed when they hear someone can bench 350. Try watching a 165 lb guy bench 475 - that's amazing. And it's not as rare as you think.
Btw, rep max ain't a max.
I was a professional powerlifter, so I'm kinda biased on this. But I'm always surprised that these big guys aren't stronger in the gym than the numbers that get floated around. 605 deadlift for a big guy is really just average strong...
I was deadlifting around 700 in the 198 lb class. And there were a few guys in the 181 lb class that could deadlift like 750.
Same with bench press. People are amazed when they hear someone can bench 350. Try watching a 165 lb guy bench 475 - that's amazing. And it's not as rare as you think.
Btw, rep max ain't a max.
Posted on 7/12/18 at 4:37 pm to Lester Earl
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I didn’t call you a douche bag
You sure did come out firing calling people ignorant though
Holy crap, you're right. In the response war, I got you mixed up with username "rmnldr." They were the one talking about douchebags. I totally apologize on this one.
Yea you actually were sincere in your original question. Definitely embarrassed about that one.
So yea, I still say 605 is fine (and spectacular for an average Joe), just not crazy for him. He ought to be pulling pretty much that at a minimum.
Posted on 7/12/18 at 4:40 pm to Old Money
Perspective for you guys - a 605 deadlift probably wouldn't even place top 5 in the state collegiate powerlifting championship.
Posted on 7/12/18 at 4:40 pm to TchPowDog
they don’t train in the same manner as a competitive power lifter
Moffit doesn’t even like then to try reps at this high of a weight. He makes exceptions sometimes. But I remember hearing him tell a story about Joe Barksdale & his insane squat numbers. At one point had to just shut him down because the risk of injury wasn’t worth the reward. He was strong enough
And a lot of these kids have not done a deadlift before they reach LSU.
Moffit doesn’t even like then to try reps at this high of a weight. He makes exceptions sometimes. But I remember hearing him tell a story about Joe Barksdale & his insane squat numbers. At one point had to just shut him down because the risk of injury wasn’t worth the reward. He was strong enough
And a lot of these kids have not done a deadlift before they reach LSU.
Posted on 7/12/18 at 4:42 pm to Barbellthor
I called you and others douchebags because these guys aren't weightlifters. They're focusing on strengths that will help them on the field, not in Olympic weight lifting competitions. So, yeah, while dead lifting 600 pounds may not be impressive to a weight lifter, he's still strong as frick and would snap anyone critiquing his weightlifting technique on the internet in half like a twig.
Bingo. Breiden Fehoko is a monster in the weight room and it won't help him on the field one bit compared to comparatively "weaker" guys around him if they're more explosive, agile, etc.
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Moffit doesn’t even like then to try reps at this high of a weight. He makes exceptions sometimes. But I remember hearing him tell a story about Joe Barksdale & his insane squat numbers. At one point had to just shut him down because the risk of injury wasn’t worth the reward. He was strong enough
Bingo. Breiden Fehoko is a monster in the weight room and it won't help him on the field one bit compared to comparatively "weaker" guys around him if they're more explosive, agile, etc.
This post was edited on 7/12/18 at 4:45 pm
Posted on 7/12/18 at 4:44 pm to Drizzt
That’s a lot for a guy that tall
Posted on 7/12/18 at 4:49 pm to Lester Earl
quote:
they don’t train in the same manner as a competitive power lifter
Moffit doesn’t even like then to try reps at this high of a weight. He makes exceptions sometimes. But I remember hearing him tell a story about Joe Barksdale & his insane squat numbers. At one point had to just shut him down because the risk of injury wasn’t worth the reward. He was strong enough
And a lot of these kids have not done a deadlift before they reach LSU.
This makes sense. I've never really thought about it from the injury perspective, but you're right, the risk of injury is definitely high when you get up in weight.
I guess I'm more surprised though by people's reactions. 605 is nowhere near impressive...
This post was edited on 7/12/18 at 4:57 pm
Posted on 7/12/18 at 4:52 pm to rmnldr
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I called you and others douchebags because these guys aren't weightlifters. They're focusing on strengths that will help them on the field, not in Olympic weight lifting competitions. So, yeah, while dead lifting 600 pounds may not be impressive to a weight lifter, he's still strong as frick and would snap anyone critiquing his weightlifting technique on the internet in half like a twig.
quote:
Moffit doesn’t even like then to try reps at this high of a weight. He makes exceptions sometimes. But I remember hearing him tell a story about Joe Barksdale & his insane squat numbers. At one point had to just shut him down because the risk of injury wasn’t worth the reward. He was strong enough
Bingo. Breiden Fehoko is a monster in the weight room and it won't help him on the field one bit compared to comparatively "weaker" guys around him if they're more explosive, agile, etc.
OMG woooooow, I never realized people train differently depending on their sport. How uniquely insightful. Yes, I'm aware that one does not lift the same for field sports as strength sports (though the former would do well to utilize the latter). I've done both. You think you see past me, but I'm already way past where you're going with this. Someone posted a video because wow look how heavy that is. Yes. It is heavy. They're not that crazy of numbers for someone like him, but they are for the average person. Is that what you wanted to hear? I never denied it.
And interesting how you took the "everyone critiquing is an internet-tough-guy even though I'm the one calling people douchebags with an anonymous username."
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