re: Wiltfong CB Noah Cain to LSU

Spivey’s tape Doesn’t lie, the kid has a lot of wiggle and speed, not unlike Emery imho. Cain has more of a one- cut and go and he’s a real chain- mover but not necessarily a big home run threat. I’d be happy with any and all of them and they are all too good to pass on. First in gets the gig as far as I’m concerned. All are scholarship worthy imho.

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Foster Moreau is the best TE on LSU's roster by far & he was a 3 star all the way...meanwhile Jacory Washington was a high 4 star by every recruiting service & hasn't seen any meaningful snaps heading into his senior season at LSU. He was also in the under armour AA game

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Using which TE gets more snaps on an LSU team to determine if the recruiting rating system usually works is laughable. What it probably means for a tight end is that he blocks better. Maybe that will change but it hasn't thus far.

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What it probably means for a tight end is that he blocks better. Maybe that will change but it hasn't thus far.

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TE’s split out wide in Slinger’s offense

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Hopefully, but that hasn't been the offense up to now

Cain looks like a complete back, an SEC back. Blocks well, one cut and go. Not a loss here.

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If you can think for yourself and not rely on the opinions of the recruiting "experts", one's clearly better than the other.

In short: One is slow as molasses and has gotten worse since his freshmen year. And the other is significantly faster and hasn't even touch his potential yet - and he's better than Cain right now.

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Amontae Spivey
Height & Weight: 6'1" 185lbs
40 Yard Dash: 4.64
Shuttle: 4.58
Vertical: 29
Bench: 245
Squat(LBS): 335
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Noah Cain
Height & Weight: 5'11" 215lbs
40 Yard Dash: 4.41
Shuttle: 4.15
Vertical: 32
Powerball: 43
Bench: 315
185 Bench (Reps): 21
100 Meter Dash: 10.85
400 Meter Dash: 51.8
Squat(LBS): 505
Deadlift(LBS): 550
Clean(LBS): 265

During the 2017 season IMGA defeated 4 State Champions;against this circle of champions, no one was better than Cain. The 3X All USA RB led all Ascenders in yards from scrimmage, rushing and rush TDS
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Well according to HUDL Cain has a better 40 and shuttle. So maybe you should stop thinking for yourself.

I think Wiltfong is basing this more off of Emery trending away from LSU as opposed to anything changing with Cain.

If Cain really wanted to commit right now you bet O would take him.

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Using which TE gets more snaps on an LSU team to determine if the recruiting rating system usually works is laughable.

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How about an article from one of the paid recruiting sites about LSU's lowest rated recruits the past 10 years? I can't believe there are people on this recruiting board that don't know to take recruiting rankings with a grain of salt.


This is an article done by the 24/7 guy (Shea Dixon) who runs the LSU page/site or whatever it is called.

This is just the LOWEST rated recruit for each class the last 10 years excluding JUCOs and special teams players - kickers, long snappers, punters.

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2008: Lavar Edwards No. 959 overall prospect, No. 32 in Louisiana
He was a fifth round pick in the NFL Draft by the Tennessee Titans

2009: Josh Williford No. 1,066 overall prospect, No. 34 in Alabama
Injuries forced him to call off his football career. He served out his final year on campus as a student coach for the Tigers in 2013.

2010: Alfred Blue No. 66 RB, No. 758 overall prospect, No. 19 in Louisiana
a sixth round NFL Draft selection by the Houston Texans, where he was on roster from 2014-17.

2011: Ronald Martin No. 43 CB, No. 624 overall prospect, No. 24 in Louisiana
signed by the Seattle Seahawks as an unrestricted free agent following the 2015 NFL Draft. He’s since spent time in the NFL with the Seahawks, the New York Jets, the Baltimore Ravens and two stints with the Indianapolis Colts.

2012: Kavahra Holmes No. 86 WR, No. 763 overall prospect, No. 30 in Louisiana
announced he was transferring out of LSU

* A side note, the second-lowest ranked recruit in LSU’s class that year was Jalen Mills, who went on to start immediately as a true freshman at LSU and was a starter in the secondary for the Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles this past year.

2013: Duke Riley No. 42 OLB, No. 539 overall prospect, No. 22 in Louisiana
he went on to be selected in the third round of the NFL Draft with the No. 75 overall pick by the Atlanta Falcons.

2014: Russell Gage No. 74 ATH, No. 898 overall prospect, No. 32 in Louisiana
LSU’s Pro Day in April catapulted him up NFL Draft boards, with many mock drafts pointing to Gage as a late-round steal for an NFL team.

2015: Foster Moreau No. 74 TE, No. 1,984 overall prospect, No. 86 in Louisiana
a multi-year starter at tight end who is now one of the team’s veteran leaders - and certainly a name in the mix to take over the No. 18 jersey. Moreau’s slated to start at tight end again for LSU this fall.

2016: Lloyd Cushenberry No. 82 OG, No. 1,522 overall prospect, No. 71 in Louisiana
Fast forward two years and Cushenberry is now the heir apparent to Ethan Pocic and Will Clapp as the team’s next starting center, a position he took the first-team reps at this spring.

2017: Justin Jefferson No. 308 WR, No. 2,164 overall prospect, No. 76 in Louisiana
It appears Jefferson will be a starter for the Tigers during his sophomore season next fall.

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And none of these players were ranked in the top 20 at their positions. Even the five that have ALREADY played in the NFL. If Gage gets drafted (HE DID) that will be six of the 10 lowest rated recruits to play in the NFL. With Moreau, Cushenberry and Jefferson still playing at LSU.

ETA to add link:
Closer Look: LSU's lowest-ranked signees over 10 years

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Watch both of these and you be the judge.

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Agreed completely. First time I watched them. Cain is severely overrated, IMO. IMG gets a lot of hype, but highlight to highlight its clear as day, Spiveys is better.

I also think Goodrich will be a better CB than Surtain when its all said and done, or at least as good, FWIW.

Spivey is not a better college RB prospect than Cain.