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Posted on 6/14/18 at 1:34 pm to OKTGR580
I already posted on the first page.
IMO, that's something Orgeron should have uncovered in the vetting process, but it is what it is now. I like the idea of what Ensminger has said he wants to run. My only question is can he teach it. It's been a long time since he's coordinated an offense. But, I'm not some dickhead that says he can't do it because he's old or whatever.
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I think for the immediate future he needs to be a top 10 team competing for the West and the SEC title and in the discussion for the CFP. He has the talent to do it. Hopefully he has learned from the mistakes he made last year with the losses and the coaching hires. If these new coaches can get this thing going, I actually think he may be able to achieve those things.
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we all found out Canada was a dick and wouldn’t workout here.
IMO, that's something Orgeron should have uncovered in the vetting process, but it is what it is now. I like the idea of what Ensminger has said he wants to run. My only question is can he teach it. It's been a long time since he's coordinated an offense. But, I'm not some dickhead that says he can't do it because he's old or whatever.
Posted on 6/14/18 at 1:36 pm to OKTGR580
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So IF Orgeron puts together a staff that has what it takes to win 10 or 11 games while being in contention for the west, is his role as a leader good enough? He’s not the best X’s and O’s Guy, he has the best DC, we all found out Canada was a dick and wouldn’t workout here. IF Ensminger makes this offense a top 5 in the SEC offense with Burrow, would that be enough?
In this scenario, I would be very encouraged, and would have huge expectations for 2019.
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Y’all are delusional if you didn’t see a few bright spots last year that O and staff will learn and get better from.
I saw bright spots. There were also major concerns.
Posted on 6/14/18 at 1:36 pm to danfraz
I would like to know more about this claim that Orgeron stabbed Miles in the back to get the job.
Posted on 6/14/18 at 1:37 pm to OKTGR580
In the words of Al Davis, Just win baby
Posted on 6/14/18 at 1:38 pm to TigerLunatik
People might be pleased with Ensminger. He’s old but he helped salvage our 2016 season. Burrow might be the spark we need to top off this offense. We have a legit WR core and an experienced line. Call me crazy but I’m not expecting us to be garbage this year barring some injury disaster. At worst 8-5 and at best 11-2. It’s really not that crazy
Posted on 6/14/18 at 1:44 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
Maybe I am a minority, but "just win baby" is not sufficient, nor is winning the SECW or even a Natty.
We could hire Petrino, Briles, Kiffin etc. and win 9-10 games a year if we wanted to sell our soul.
Les Miles won at almost 10 games a year but did it cleanly,with class without scandal and without huge embarrassment as representative of the university.
With Da Coach O we get neither wins, nor class nor, I am increasingly concerned, integrity.
We could hire Petrino, Briles, Kiffin etc. and win 9-10 games a year if we wanted to sell our soul.
Les Miles won at almost 10 games a year but did it cleanly,with class without scandal and without huge embarrassment as representative of the university.
With Da Coach O we get neither wins, nor class nor, I am increasingly concerned, integrity.
Posted on 6/14/18 at 1:45 pm to whitefoot
What are your concerns? Just want to hear other perspectives
Posted on 6/14/18 at 1:48 pm to OKTGR580
It breaks down real east for me bro. Orgeron has not been a good head coach in his career and I have a lot of concerns. Does that mean he can't succeed here? Of course not. There were some really bad coaching in the losses and that seems to be the norm with him and not the outlier.
As it stands right now, I don't really trust his evaluation ability of coaches or hiring process after Canada and Joseph last year. Can he learn from those mistakes? I hope so. This team is loaded with talent, but last year had top 10 talent as well.
I'm hard on Orgeron because I expect LSU to be elite and he hasn't been an elite coach. I get shite for being a "hater" sometimes, but I'm only responding to other posts. I don't agree with insulting the man personally and I'm really not a fan of the constant "I hate O" threads that were popping up all the time.
As it stands right now, I don't really trust his evaluation ability of coaches or hiring process after Canada and Joseph last year. Can he learn from those mistakes? I hope so. This team is loaded with talent, but last year had top 10 talent as well.
I'm hard on Orgeron because I expect LSU to be elite and he hasn't been an elite coach. I get shite for being a "hater" sometimes, but I'm only responding to other posts. I don't agree with insulting the man personally and I'm really not a fan of the constant "I hate O" threads that were popping up all the time.
Posted on 6/14/18 at 1:49 pm to nitwit
I agree. Win with class and integrity is very important. But clearly we didn’t care about that if we kicked Les to the curb after winning 10 games regularly and knowing the game on and off the field.
Posted on 6/14/18 at 1:54 pm to OKTGR580
I thought it was time for Les to go because he demonstrated that he was unwilling to change some anachronistic ideas, but we handled it was far less aplomb than he deserved.
Les Miles was a great representative of the university and, aside from a contract extension ploy, was always fully honest with us.I cannot say the same about Da Coach O.
Les Miles was a great representative of the university and, aside from a contract extension ploy, was always fully honest with us.I cannot say the same about Da Coach O.
Posted on 6/14/18 at 2:00 pm to nitwit
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Maybe I am a minority, but "just win baby" is not sufficient, nor is winning the SECW or even a Natty.
So if you were made AD next year and Coach O was coming off a national championship, would you fire him?
Posted on 6/14/18 at 2:06 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
I never would have hired him.
However, I would not grade his performance solely on wins and losses.
And Orgeron will never win a natty, so your question is purely hypothetical.
However, I would not grade his performance solely on wins and losses.
And Orgeron will never win a natty, so your question is purely hypothetical.
Posted on 6/14/18 at 2:07 pm to OKTGR580
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Y’all are delusional if you didn’t see a few bright spots last year that O and staff will learn and get better from.
Posted on 6/14/18 at 2:08 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
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So if you were made AD next year and Coach O was coming off a national championship, would you fire him?
Question like these are so asinine.
Posted on 6/14/18 at 2:09 pm to nitwit
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I never would have hired him.
That has no bearing on the hypothetical I presented.
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However, I would not grade his performance solely on wins and losses.
And Orgeron will never win a natty, so your question is purely hypothetical.
You're the one who said "even is he wins a natty." And of course it's a hypothetical; you would obviously never be the athletic director
Posted on 6/14/18 at 2:11 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
So you are dead serious when y’all say you HOPE LSU loses and never wins a natty because we have a coach you don’t like?? Ooooook
Posted on 6/14/18 at 2:12 pm to Mo Jeaux
How so? He specifically said "even if he wins a natty."
I realize O isn't winning a national championship, dude has never won anywhere; but if he does, he obviously gains respect. That's the only point I've been trying to make. I'm just answering the OP's question
I realize O isn't winning a national championship, dude has never won anywhere; but if he does, he obviously gains respect. That's the only point I've been trying to make. I'm just answering the OP's question
Posted on 6/14/18 at 2:13 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
Yes and my response is consistent.
If you want to win at all costs, you could do a lot better than Orgeron.
If you want to win at all costs, you could do a lot better than Orgeron.
Posted on 6/14/18 at 2:15 pm to nitwit
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Yes and my response is consistent.
If you want to win at all costs, you could do a lot better than Orgeron.
Of course you could, but that still doesn't answer the OP's question, nor does it refute my answer. I don't think he's winning shite either, but if he does, then he'll be more respected overall as a coach. That's just how this business works
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