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Oakland church preaches to Never Call Police

Posted on 5/31/18 at 5:00 pm
Posted by jbgleason
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Posted on 5/31/18 at 5:00 pm
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A church in Oakland, California, is urging its members never to call the police again.

Church leader Nichola Torbett said the First Congregational Church of Oakland, which is part of the United Church of Christ denomination, will never call the cops again in nearly every circumstance, and dozens of members of the congregation agreed to do the same.

“We can no longer tolerate the trauma inflicted on our communities by policing,” Torbett said last month in front of churchgoers holding photos of African-Americans killed by law enforcement.

“How do police help? They often don’t,” Torbett later said in an interview. “So, especially as white people, why call them?”


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Posted by TJGator1215
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Posted on 5/31/18 at 5:01 pm to
She's correct.
Posted by High C
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Posted on 5/31/18 at 5:01 pm to
I hope they follow through on that.
Posted by bbeck
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Posted on 5/31/18 at 5:02 pm to
Looks just about like I expected her to look
Posted by sjmabry
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Posted on 5/31/18 at 5:03 pm to
Too $hort
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 5/31/18 at 5:04 pm to
ok by me
Posted by Ellssu
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Posted by Ellssu
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Posted by SDVTiger
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Posted on 5/31/18 at 5:07 pm to
NorCal folks
Posted by TaderSalad
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Posted on 5/31/18 at 5:08 pm to
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She's correct.



by

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TJGaytor1215



Welp, guess she's wrong
Posted by crimsonsaint
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Posted on 5/31/18 at 5:10 pm to
I bet some in attendance are like “all hell yeah we breaking into her house tonight”.
Posted by ThruThickandThin
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Posted on 5/31/18 at 5:12 pm to
DO IT! Embrace your black privilege
Posted by TJGator1215
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Posted on 5/31/18 at 5:12 pm to
If you want to end up in a worse situation than you started by all means call the cops. Just don't get mad when they kill your dog, your kid or destroy your property trying to serve and protect you.

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Many, including my colleagues and myself, have empirically documented the rise in the militarization of the American police institution (Kraska and Kappeler, 1997). This change in police began with the proliferation of isolated use of force tactical units, like SWAT teams, in the 1970s but has now spread to the everyday policing practice. The potential spread of police violence from tactical teams to mainstream policing was one of our initial concerns when we conducted the study nearly 20 years ago—violence would spread into the rank and file of the police and be normalized in police practice. Police now, perhaps more than ever, use both organized and disorganized violence far too often as a first choice for problem solving. Refuse to follow a verbal command, police will Taze you; refuse to remain still after you’re Tazed, police will beat you; refuse to turn off your car, police will shoot you. In far too many cases police are resorting to violence where simply retreating and regrouping or other less violent alternatives would have been more than sufficient.

Despite the fact that violent crime rates (Kappeler and Potter, 2005) and the killing of American police officers have both declined dramatically over the past 40 years (Kappeler, Alpert and Sluder, 1998) and policing is clearly less dangerous than ever, police seem less hesitant today to use force in relatively minor situations, sometimes with lethal consequences. Given the police propensity for violence, one wonders why anyone would call the police in the first place. In a state where the police have been empowered to use and rationalize away their use of violence against the very people they are charged with protecting, perhaps the “don’t snitch” movement had it right. Calling the police can have lethal consequences.





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This post was edited on 5/31/18 at 5:15 pm
Posted by Lawyered
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Posted on 5/31/18 at 5:13 pm to
Doubt they pay much in taxes to support the police anyway
Posted by Quidam65
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Posted on 5/31/18 at 5:14 pm to
So if I were a criminal:

1. Become a church member (fake whatever I had to) and get a membership directory.
2. Find out which members pledged.
3. Break into their houses, cars, etc. and take what I want. (I'm simply limiting myself to stuff, not to hurt anyone)
4. Profit.
Posted by jbgleason
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Posted on 5/31/18 at 5:18 pm to
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the killing of American police officers have both declined dramatically over the past 40 years (Kappeler, Alpert and Sluder, 1998)


Way to quote a 20 year old study. Line of duty deaths are at some all time highs in the last ten years.
Posted by tWildcat
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Posted on 5/31/18 at 5:22 pm to
People like this vote
Posted by Bluefin
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Posted on 5/31/18 at 5:23 pm to
“Whatcha gonna do when they come for you? Bad boys.”

- Jesus
Posted by TJGator1215
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Posted on 5/31/18 at 5:25 pm to
Most die due to cops speeding and health related.

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As of Thursday, 128 officers have died in the line of duty this year, with 44 shot and killed. That's down 10% from 2016, when 143 officers died, with 66 gunned down, according to data released by the National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund, a nonprofit aimed at honoring officers and improving safety.

The only other year with fewer deaths in the past five decades was 2013, when 116 officers were killed. 




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While shootings played a big role, traffic accidents caused the largest number of deaths. Crashes killed 47 officers this year, down 15% from 2016. A number of factors — including enhanced policies that limit vehicle pursuits and speeding and the "move-over law," which requires drivers to slow down and switch lanes when an officer is pulled over  — could be behind the drop, experts say.


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The number of people killed by officers increased slightly from 963 in 2016 to 971 this year, according to data compiled by The Washington Post. But the number of high-profile shootings that sparked protests was far lower than previous years, Floyd said. 


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This post was edited on 5/31/18 at 5:30 pm
Posted by HonoraryCoonass
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 5/31/18 at 5:40 pm to
In addition to this latest idiotic line of thinking, many of these types of communities choose to live in a “no snitch” culture. It’s why so many of the crimes in their communities never get solved. People simply refuse to cooperate with police investigations. How in the world do these knotheads ever expect their neighborhoods to become safer if they won’t help the cops put away the bad guys?
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