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re: The 'lost generation' of millennials born in the 1980s may never be as rich as their paren

Posted on 5/25/18 at 11:27 am to
Posted by cahoots
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 5/25/18 at 11:27 am to
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I'm not. As I said. Sure, you can point to negatives.

But for frick's sake, go check the UE history PLUS inflation history PLUS mortgage rate history of the 70s.

My point is acting as if you fell into some unique time of the abyss is silly.


Dude it was unique.

UE was 10% in 2009/2010. Participation rate was worse.

Inflation according to CPI wasn’t like the 70s/80s but you forgot something. The cost of college and rent prices. College cost increases have exceeded 70s/80s inflation rates by several degrees of magnitude.

And then there’s rent. CPI is moot when your rent doubles in a few years.
Posted by Easternrio
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 5/25/18 at 11:27 am to
Born in 82 average income over the last five years 375k. I love America
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
63482 posts
Posted on 5/25/18 at 11:29 am to
You both realize that the stereotypes you're throwing out there are not unique to the generation you're bashing, right? It's an age thing, not a generation thing. Plenty of boomers and Gen Xers were lazy and entitled in their 20s. Plenty of millenials will suck at the technology of the day when they are 60.

Stop romanticizing entire segments of the population. Half the population has always been and will always be below average, and the bottom 20% will always be worthless.
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 5/25/18 at 11:31 am to
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Of course, we can't tell you how many times we're befuddle when we ask you to do something 3 weeks ago, and then, when we follow up, you tell us in day 2 you ran into an obstacle so, no, you haven't.

There's sort of an obvious follow up to the "ran in to an obstacle" part that I find very few millennial even seem aware of.

I'm always like, "cool. You ran into an obstacle. Tell me about the things you did to try and overcome that obstacle".

Answer is typically...........jack shite. They basically took the obstacle as an "oh boy, now I have an excuse to not do that" sign.


Sounds like you need to fire some people
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 5/25/18 at 11:32 am to
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And then there’s rent. CPI is moot when your rent doubles in a few years.


Yeah rent is a killer thank god for roommates. $1200/mo is steep.
Posted by HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Member since Feb 2017
12458 posts
Posted on 5/25/18 at 11:40 am to
All this crying about the cost of college tuition just has me seeing red on so many levels.

First level. I graduated from PRINCETON with ZERO student debt, none, went on and got a Masters from the same school. ZERO debt. Sure I had to be in the military and fight in a couple wars , but I didn't have any student debt. Lots of other people have done the same. I'd wager that 60% of people who have student loan debt honestly shouldn't have been in college to begin with. I mean if you're a good student, there are people willing to pay for your college.

Second Level - The very people screaming and crying about the cost of college are not only too stupid to understand that the very programs that they support (IE pell grants and federally guaranteed student loans) are why college costs have skyrocketed, but they also look down their noses at anyone who has went into the work force right out of school rather than went into debt to obtain a college degree.

Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 5/25/18 at 11:42 am to
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Dude it was unique.

UE was 10% in 2009/2010. Participation rate was worse.
Dude. I literally gave you like 3 examples of it NOT being unique.

The word unique has meaning.

Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 5/25/18 at 11:43 am to
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You both realize that the stereotypes you're throwing out there are not unique to the generation you're bashing, right?


My 1st post in this thread bashed the frick out of MY generation.

There's plenty of bashing to go around.

I'm simply saying that acting like somehow, the shite millennials have bumped in to is some kind of generational abomination is absurd.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 5/25/18 at 11:53 am to
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The cost of college and rent prices. College cost increases have exceeded 70s/80s inflation rates by several degrees of magnitude


A mortgage in 1982 on an 80k house would run you about what a mortgage runs today on a house around the US median.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 5/25/18 at 11:53 am to
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Yeah rent is a killer thank god for roommates. $1200/mo is steep.


My first apartment was a 1BR apartment that I rented for $298 in 1985. In fact, here it is still today. 2nd video, the smaller one. Small 1BR

It can be had today for $798. A whole $100 over what $298 is in today's dollars.

Of course, had I not wanted to rent then, mortgage rates were about 12%. LOL.

So again, let's not lose our minds here acting like you guys have it so fricking hard.
Posted by cahoots
Member since Jan 2009
9134 posts
Posted on 5/25/18 at 11:57 am to
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I'm simply saying that acting like somehow, the shite millennials have bumped in to is some kind of generational abomination is absurd.



And you are ignoring the entire premise of the thread. Which is that millennials are a generational anomaly in terms of wealth acquisition. The statistics will bear that out.

You can talk about UE rates and inflation all you want. The proof is in the wealth
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 5/25/18 at 11:58 am to
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The cost of college and rent prices. College cost increases have exceeded 70s/80s inflation rates by several degrees of magnitude


A mortgage in 1982 on an 80k house would run you about what a mortgage runs today on a house around the US median.

It's like ALL of these dudes need to take economics.

Hey. Here's a thought. When rates are lower and the govt is subsidizing it, a product tends to become more in demand which, holy shite surprising, drives it's costs.

THEN, when you couple that with the fact that people go from paying 12% on a home and worse on a car to paying like 4-5% on both, they free up cash to spend on shite like............college for their kids and viola', MORE inflationary pressure.

Here's some econ 101 for ya guys.

The prices of products don't go up because they're HARDER for more people to buy..........they go up because they're EASIER for more people to buy.

This applies to lemonade, cars, cocaine, pussy and yes, college.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 5/25/18 at 12:00 pm to
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And you are ignoring the entire premise of the thread. Which is that millennials are a generational anomaly in terms of wealth acquisition. The statistics will bear that out.


Well. I don't disagree with the above fact.

Where I disagree is with the idea that the cause of the above is some heretofore unseen horror foist upon you.

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You can talk about UE rates and inflation all you want. The proof is in the wealth

That's kinda not how "proof" works.

You can't use the result to prove a cause that YOU declare. ESPECIALLY when that supposed cause isn't even unusual historically speaking.

Hell. Go ahead. Tell me how you had it worse than an adult who turned 18 in 1929.
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 5/25/18 at 12:01 pm to
I'm doing fine now.. but the last decade was rough and set me back a lot through no fault of my own
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 5/25/18 at 12:03 pm to
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I'm doing fine now.. but the last decade was rough and set me back a lot through no fault of my own

Again, I get that.

It's just not terribly unique. It's a sentence that can be uttered by significant portions of the people alive today.

Hell, just for giggles, let's at least acknowledge that if you have to have the economy take a shite on you for 10 years, you'd rather it happen when you're 18 than when you're 32. Think about it.

Posted by cahoots
Member since Jan 2009
9134 posts
Posted on 5/25/18 at 12:04 pm to
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Where I disagree is with the idea that the cause of the above is some heretofore unseen horror foist upon you.


So then why are millennial unable to acquire wealth if it’s not student loans, rent prices, and the bad years of the recession?
Posted by cahoots
Member since Jan 2009
9134 posts
Posted on 5/25/18 at 12:05 pm to
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Hell. Go ahead. Tell me how you had it worse than an adult who turned 18 in 1929.


I’m not going to say it’s worse than that time period. But it’s certainly worse than the 70s and 80s that you allude to, on average. My parents grew up then. They wouldn’t argue
This post was edited on 5/25/18 at 12:07 pm
Posted by ShoeBang
Member since May 2012
19377 posts
Posted on 5/25/18 at 12:07 pm to
I was born in 85. My parents haven't given me a cent since I was 19 (because they couldn't), I have no college degree and I make more than both of them combined. I work in an office environment, own a home, have 2 kids, 2 vehicles, 401k, 50k of wife's student debt, and all the stuff the American dream was made of for a middle class family.

I'd say I'm doing pretty well.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 5/25/18 at 12:09 pm to
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So then why are millennial unable to acquire wealth if it’s not student loans, rent prices, and the bad years of the recession?

A very good question.

It just doesn't have the answer you want to apply to it. As I've pretty much proven because every measure you say has caused it has been seen before........in spades.......repetitively. Combined with other shitty measures like, "yeah, about that...........yes, we'll send you to war against your will and then when you come back, inflation will be absurd, UE will be high and mortgage rates will be comical"

I mean, at least put yourself in those shoes a second. Imagine being 18 in 1970, you get drafted, you do the Vietnam thing, or, you don't get drafted but many of your friend do and die. And, coming out the back side of that shite is an economy so bad, it actually did shite we didn't think it could do. They had to create a whole fricking new term for it! Stagflation!

You know how we worry that job growth will cause inflation? LOL, in the 70s, you got job shrinkage and inflation! A double bonus.

If you were 18 in 1970, the first time you could really look forward to several decent years in a row was about 1984. 82 at best.

Grow the frick up. Man up. Grab some balls and stop whining. The reason for the problem you've identified exists, but it damned sure ain't unique economic circumstances.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 5/25/18 at 12:12 pm to
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I’m not going to say it’s worse than that time period. But it’s certainly worse than the 70s
This is just completely not supportable by anything whatsoever other than emotional declarations.

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80s
You mean if you became an adult in the 80s? Yeah. The 80s certainly weren't awful. They were pretty cool once we came out of the first few years.

Even then, for all your whining, has it occurred to you that being 18 when the year 2009 hit was nowhere near as shitty as being 50 when it did?

If you became unemployed when you were 50 in 2009, you basically just became fricked on ice.

Stop looking at everyone like, "woe is me, look how bad I had it".

I submit that THAT is half the reason you have it so bad.
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