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re: Need help, I’m retiling my bathroom
Posted on 5/12/18 at 12:26 pm to DavidTheGnome
Posted on 5/12/18 at 12:26 pm to DavidTheGnome
Just add some spackling and start tiling. It’ll be fine.
Posted on 5/12/18 at 12:29 pm to DavidTheGnome
Remove everything down to the wood layer. Then examine the wood for structural integrity. If not good, evaluate for either replacing bad parts or just doing a layover with plywood. Need to make sure your subfloor is still good. Once you've done that, or determined it was good to begin with, use floor leveler to level everything out. Then lay sheets of duroc, it's like a cement board, comes in 3x5 sheets, and is designed to put tiles on. Make sure you glue that down and screw it in...that will seal everything together tight and give you a solid floor that won't creak or move much....a solid foundation to lay tile on.
Posted on 5/12/18 at 12:30 pm to Steadyhands
Looking at what other posters have said....if the floor seems solid, then don't remove the mud floor. Just use the floor leveler and then continue with things I said in my first post.
Posted on 5/12/18 at 1:19 pm to DavidTheGnome
The more you remove, the more you’ll have to patch. So the less you gouge, the better.
Posted on 5/12/18 at 1:23 pm to Steadyhands
Can I fill in the hole where it went down to the wood with the same leveling stuff? It seems easier to rip it all out vs skimming the tile off the top to be honest
Posted on 5/12/18 at 1:23 pm to DavidTheGnome
Keep chiseling. Its a bitch but it has to come out.
Then pour self leveling concrete over it. Just enough to get it level.
Then retile. If on a house that has any slab cracks I would put down an uncoupling membrane (such as Ditra). Or if you are on a wood foundation (wood floors) you will need Ditra for sure.
If you are on wood floor make sure that there is not any deflection or tile will crack. Here is a calculator to determine if you need to firm up the joists. Old school stuff had a 2-3" mud bed which did not allow any deflection but todays way is with a thin tile backer and if floor moves at all it will crack.
Deflection calculator LINK
Good luck
Then pour self leveling concrete over it. Just enough to get it level.
Then retile. If on a house that has any slab cracks I would put down an uncoupling membrane (such as Ditra). Or if you are on a wood foundation (wood floors) you will need Ditra for sure.
If you are on wood floor make sure that there is not any deflection or tile will crack. Here is a calculator to determine if you need to firm up the joists. Old school stuff had a 2-3" mud bed which did not allow any deflection but todays way is with a thin tile backer and if floor moves at all it will crack.
Deflection calculator LINK
Good luck
Posted on 5/12/18 at 1:31 pm to alphaandomega
This is where I’m at now. I think the easier way is to remove all the way down to the wood flooring
Do y’all agree and if so what do I pour in to replace it. That’s a good inch or so of material coming up
Do y’all agree and if so what do I pour in to replace it. That’s a good inch or so of material coming up
Posted on 5/12/18 at 1:35 pm to DavidTheGnome
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Can I fill in the hole where it went down to the wood with the same leveling stuff? It seems easier to rip it all out vs skimming the tile off the top to be honest
MAPEI Self Leveler Plus can be installed from 1/8-in up to 1-in in a single pour. Consider the total depth of the layer of self leveler, layer of thin set, and new tile thickness.
This post was edited on 5/12/18 at 1:38 pm
Posted on 5/12/18 at 1:39 pm to DavidTheGnome
I see a sewer gas explosion in your not so distant future.
Posted on 5/12/18 at 1:41 pm to Anonymous95
Surely retiling a bathroom can’t be this damned dangerous/complicated
Posted on 5/12/18 at 1:45 pm to DavidTheGnome
You’re going to destroy the plywood with that tool. Just crack the mud floor with it and pry up the old mud floor in chunks using a crow bar.
Posted on 5/12/18 at 1:46 pm to DavidTheGnome
shite baw, you retiling or digging a tunnel?
Posted on 5/12/18 at 1:47 pm to biggie
That’s my plan. This is where it stands now
Should I go on and keep removing all the mud too and just get down to the wood. When I do, then what? Is repouring mud an option?
Should I go on and keep removing all the mud too and just get down to the wood. When I do, then what? Is repouring mud an option?
This post was edited on 5/12/18 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 5/12/18 at 1:48 pm to DavidTheGnome
With that pic and the questions you are asking, you should hire a professional.
Posted on 5/12/18 at 1:48 pm to Relham10
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shite baw, you retiling or digging a tunnel?
The tile would come up otherwise. Was stuck on there good
Posted on 5/12/18 at 2:16 pm to DavidTheGnome
Yes you’ll have to repour the mudbed to get it even with the other floors. Like someone else said, get down to the plywood and check to make sure that’s ok. Pour the mudbed at the same level as the previous one.
Posted on 5/12/18 at 2:18 pm to DavidTheGnome
Had one similar, I ripped mine all the way to the joists, put new sub-floor down, then installed the KERDI tile system on top before laying the tile. Won't have to touch it again.
ETA: The sub-floor was rotted underneath, as your will likely be.
ETA: The sub-floor was rotted underneath, as your will likely be.
This post was edited on 5/12/18 at 2:20 pm
Posted on 5/12/18 at 2:39 pm to DavidTheGnome
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Do y’all agree and if so what do I pour in to replace it. That’s a good inch or so of material coming up
If you can get it up without damaging the plywood I think the common practice is to apply thinset over the plywood and 1/2" concrete backer (durock) board and then screw the backer board down using the special green screws. Do not use drywall or wood screws. The green ones have a coating that keeps the acids in the thinset from eating them away over time.
Then thinset Ditra. If you are adding heated floor they made one that works in the ditra squares...
Then thinset tile over it.
Posted on 5/12/18 at 2:47 pm to DavidTheGnome
If you are going down to the plywood, I would recommend that once there that you use a leveling compound on the entire area you plan on tiling. To do that, you need to get as much of the old material up as possible. Next you will need to use the recommended floor pre adhesive that goes with your leveling compound. This is essential because is binds it to the wood. Once the floor is level and dry, You will need to install Hardy backer board over the subfloor. This is highly recommended because it repels moisture and prevents mold growth (remember this is a bathroom with lots of moisture in the air). Once the backer board is in place, you will lay the tile on it.
Edit: A few other notes because I went through this process myself last summer. First, when using the leveling compound, especially in a big area, use an adjustable leveling rake. its generally easy to work with, but if you don't use a rake you are going to end up with high and low spots, and you're going to notice them when you go to lay tile. Secondly, test fit and number your backer board pieces so you know where they go and are comfortable maneuvering them into place. Thin set dries quick, so if you're not comfortable getting them in place, its going to dry out on you. You also need someone drilling the green floor screws in as it's laid in place. This will ensure the backer board bonds to the thin set. Don't drive them in at an angle or leave them sticking up. This will throw your tiles out of level. Finally, use a level and check all over your floor to make sure its level and there are no high or low spots. If you make it to this point and all is good, square off the room for tiling
Edit: A few other notes because I went through this process myself last summer. First, when using the leveling compound, especially in a big area, use an adjustable leveling rake. its generally easy to work with, but if you don't use a rake you are going to end up with high and low spots, and you're going to notice them when you go to lay tile. Secondly, test fit and number your backer board pieces so you know where they go and are comfortable maneuvering them into place. Thin set dries quick, so if you're not comfortable getting them in place, its going to dry out on you. You also need someone drilling the green floor screws in as it's laid in place. This will ensure the backer board bonds to the thin set. Don't drive them in at an angle or leave them sticking up. This will throw your tiles out of level. Finally, use a level and check all over your floor to make sure its level and there are no high or low spots. If you make it to this point and all is good, square off the room for tiling
This post was edited on 5/12/18 at 3:06 pm
Posted on 5/12/18 at 3:00 pm to DavidTheGnome
Flex bond is the only thinset I've used that's worth a shite.
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