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re: Trump Tax Windfall Going to Capex Way Faster Than Stock Buyback, largest capex in 7 years

Posted on 5/2/18 at 5:02 pm to
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
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Posted on 5/2/18 at 5:02 pm to
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the graph and data are clearly y/y. It says so. The baseline is an autoregressive one.

bruh

what matters for the supply-side impact is where the bulk of the money, in level terms, being returned to the businesses is going

these %-change figures in fact obscure that simple breakdown
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
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Posted on 5/2/18 at 5:03 pm to
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From April 26th.

oh, yeah. and that. but the sample clearly wasn't supposed to be representative of much to begin with
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 5/2/18 at 5:06 pm to
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I do bristle at undue cheerleading, it's true.


Why do you necessarily assume that the substance of the assertion is unworthy or any cheer leading though?
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
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Posted on 5/2/18 at 5:07 pm to
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Why do you necessarily assume that the substance of the assertion is unworthy or any cheer leading though?

It's premature, at very best. That is a fact, not an assumption.
Posted by CptBengal
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Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 5/2/18 at 5:08 pm to
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bruh

what matters for the supply-side impact is where the bulk of the money, in level terms, being returned to the businesses is going



so let's see here. companies have INCREASED their CAPEX spending by 39% relative to last year for the Fortune 500.

I agree that in actual dollars, if they are spending more on stock buyback, etc., then this doesnt look good. However, when looking a trend, these numbers are encouraging.

How you could look at encouraging data and be upset at it is fricking absurd. Your TDS is real.
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
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Posted on 5/2/18 at 5:15 pm to
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so let's see here. companies have INCREASED their CAPEX spending by 39% relative to last year for the Fortune 500.

*a nonrepresentative subsample
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I agree that in actual dollars, if they are spending more on stock buyback, etc., then this doesnt look good. However, when looking a trend, these numbers are encouraging.

well jeez bengal, it's not like i'm arguing that tax cuts don't have benefits here. but if they don't accrue far and away towards big increases in investment, all that's left is a brief keynesian consumption stimulus (deficit-financed, and at a high point in the business cycle!)
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How you could look at encouraging data and be upset at it is fricking absurd. Your TDS is real.

who's upset? i guess i do worry that if real supply-side driven growth doesn't materialize from this- and it probably can't without an investment boom- then the credibility of what they caricature as "trickle-down" will suffer. but it's done, and all that remains is to see how the outcome develops. maybe you should ask why the people hurling insults at me all the time are so upset at my perspective, which is always well-grounded and defended
This post was edited on 5/2/18 at 5:17 pm
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
59160 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 5:21 pm to
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the people hurling insults at me


The role of martyr is not very attractive.

For what it's worth (which is little to nothing), I think you generally provide thoughtful insight, but you do come off as having somewhat of an aggressive agenda.
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 5:25 pm to
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The role of martyr is not very attractive.

I'm not a martyr, I like posting here. I'm certainly not upset either, especially compared to the little flock of angry groupies I've picked up lately. That's all I'm saying.

I do appreciate you otherwise offering the kind word
Posted by C
Houston
Member since Dec 2007
27832 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 5:40 pm to
GS prediction so CAPEX increase would be significant; reversing a negative trend in 15 and 16.


No way to spin this as anything but positive.
This post was edited on 5/2/18 at 5:43 pm
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 5:46 pm to
yep, and as a reminder they were on the slightly high side of the mainstream TCJA impact estimates

even still, increases of the size that GS expects yielded a 0.07% avg bump to GDP growth

as in a change from a hypothetical 2.5% up to 2.57%

Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 5/2/18 at 5:48 pm to
Nerd
Posted by C
Houston
Member since Dec 2007
27832 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 5:53 pm to
So GS underscored capital ex increases by over $150 billion in 2018.
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 5/2/18 at 5:54 pm to
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this article only talks about percentage change in capex & buybacks/dividends, and not talk about the actual change in each?

i mean it doesn't even mention the starting point for each. don't we already know that investment has been low & profits high?

we need to see a spike in private domestic investment and/or wages. not only that, it needs to be sustained

this is not very helpful for informing the debate. it's only helpful for narrative purposes



What a fricking surprise
Posted by Cruiserhog
Little Rock
Member since Apr 2008
10460 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 5:56 pm to
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HailHailtoMichigan!


still shilling for these bullshite tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations.

the earnings arent helping the middle class.
2 trillion dollars has been added to the debt
and the GDP projections from the idiots in the Trump administration to pay for it still havent materialized and never will.
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 5:56 pm to
how do you figure

remember the numbers in the op are not representative economy-wide or even S&P500-wide
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 5:57 pm to
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the earnings arent helping the middle class.

wrong
quote:

2 trillion dollars has been added to the debt

wrong

i hate u all
This post was edited on 5/2/18 at 5:58 pm
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 5/2/18 at 6:02 pm to
Crumbs

fricking crumbs
Posted by TerryDawg03
The Deep South
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 5/2/18 at 6:23 pm to
You’ll need to define CapEx for the majority of voters.
Posted by C
Houston
Member since Dec 2007
27832 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 6:51 pm to
Do you have a better data point to reflect on predictions?
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 6:58 pm to
probably will be looking at this first:

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