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La Teachers Unions Showing True Colors

Posted on 4/25/18 at 11:59 am
Posted by purpngold
Member since Jun 2006
1761 posts
Posted on 4/25/18 at 11:59 am
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Louisiana’s two teachers' unions have shown their true colors in opposing House Bill 343. HB 343 is designed to protect teachers from being harassed or coerced while on the job when it comes to joining unions or supporting political candidates. Both the Louisiana Association of Educators and the Louisiana Federation of Teachers oppose HB 343.

“Maybe the unions see this as a threat to their current practices as to how they approach nonunion members to potentially join,” said Keith Leger, director of education policy and governmental affairs for Council for a Better Louisiana or CABL.

“I think it should raise a big red flag if the two unions are going to oppose this; then to me, the question is, what are you opposing and why are you scared of having a bill that protects teachers from being harassed into joining an organization? “ asked Leger.

But Shane Riddle, legislative and political director for the Louisiana Association of Educators, said the bill could infringe on collective bargaining agreements. Riddle said the agreements allow teachers and others to discuss the agreement, send out surveys and get feedback.

"So we believe the language would circumvent some of that activity," Riddle said.

“That’s ridiculous and unfounded," said Leger. "That’s trying to make this bill much more than it is. I can’t see how this bill would circumvent any of the collective bargaining agreements. “

Leger also says only five of 69 school districts in Louisiana are involved with collective bargaining with unions.

“To not do something that is good for teachers and good for the workplace because of five districts out of 69, I just don’t think that’s good government,” said Leger.

HB 343 passed out of the House with 53 members voting yes. Only five of the yes votes were from Democrats. All of the 36 no votes came from Democrats. Democrats sell themselves as pro-teacher, yet most of them voted against a bill designed to stop harassment of teachers. It shows Democrats are not necessarily pro-teacher, but instead pro-teacher’s union.

HB 343 is already in trouble in the Senate. Senate President John Alario, R-Westwego, sent the bill to the Senate Labor Committee, where Democrats have a 4-3 edge. Supporters of HB 343 say Gov. John Bel Edwards opposes the bill, and that’s why Alario, who is often seen as a puppet of the governor, sent it to a committee where he knew the bill would die. But Alario told The Advocate, "I never talked to the governor about it. Never had a conversation.”

When I asked Leger if the governor has taken a position on the bill, he chuckled, then told me he is unaware of Edwards making an official statement on the legislation. The governor’s office says Edwards is following the legislation.

“I think if you were to look at campaign contribution records, I think you would see that the unions have been very supportive of Edwards and his past campaigns," Leger said.

Louisiana’s teacher’s unions have consistently put preserving their own power above the needs of teachers and even students. Their historical battle against school choice and charter schools in Louisiana proves that.

More than half of Louisiana’s teachers do not belong to a union. Most teachers are about the kids, not the union. They understand the union will do whatever is necessary to maintain power — even if it means harassing teachers at work to join the union or back union-friendly candidates. The fact that the two teachers' unions are blocking legislation to protect teachers from harassment at the workplace should tell you all you need to know about their priorities.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
103343 posts
Posted on 4/25/18 at 12:03 pm to
Sloth’s position in the bill? Bent over taking it up the arse from the union.
Posted by WHS
walker LA.
Member since Feb 2006
3488 posts
Posted on 4/25/18 at 12:07 pm to
I joined the teacher union in my parish for one reason. If I get sued or have accusations against me from a student, or I wrongfully lose my job, the union will pay up to 2$ million and provide me a lawyer etc. Otherwise, I despise the union and how they prop up the democrats etc.
Posted by Kino74
Denham springs
Member since Nov 2013
5360 posts
Posted on 4/25/18 at 12:13 pm to
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But Shane Riddle, legislative and political director for the Louisiana Association of Educators, said the bill could infringe on collective bargaining agreements. Riddle said the agreements allow teachers and others to discuss the agreement, send out surveys and get feedback. 


A bill to prohibit harassing or coercion is an infringement? Seriously? This is why people don't want to support unions particularly public sector unions. Public sector unions are doing nothing more than forcing people to pay dues and have their dues used to support politicians and causes their members may not agree with. The only infringment is unions don't want their revenue to be challenged. Without a steady supply of forced members, they can't fund the politicians and causes the union leadership supports.
Posted by purpngold
Member since Jun 2006
1761 posts
Posted on 4/25/18 at 12:14 pm to
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joined the teacher union in my parish for one reason. If I get sued or have accusations against me from a student, or I wrongfully lose my job, the union will pay up to 2$ million and provide me a lawyer etc. Otherwise, I despise the union and how they prop up the democrats etc.


You can join APEL for half the cost of membership fees with same benefits and liability insurance and NONE of your money goes to campaign contributions.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
40438 posts
Posted on 4/25/18 at 12:28 pm to
Let's call a spade a spade, shall we? Both sides, as is usual, are being dishonest.

Those who support this bill have only one purpose: to make it harder for teachers to unionize / discuss union activities. This is union-busting.

Those who oppose the bill have only one purpose: They don't want to have anything happen that would make it harder for them to recruit new union members.

All this talk from the supporters about harassment is absolute bunk. Most of the teachers unions in this state are extremely weak because of the lack of collective bargaining in most places. And many school districts already have rules in place about using school communication devices to discuss political campaigns.

On the opposite side... the idea that this will prevent surveys and discussions is absolutely insane... it will do none of that.

This is one of those many, many times were everyone involved here is full of crap and simply trying to push their own agenda.
Posted by BigJim
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2010
15012 posts
Posted on 4/25/18 at 12:46 pm to
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Those who support this bill have only one purpose: to make it harder for teachers to unionize / discuss union activities. This is union-busting.


Not sure about that. If LABI was bringing the bill I would agree. This is being brought by CABL after surveying teachers.

Posted by Rock the Casbah
Member since Dec 2014
940 posts
Posted on 4/25/18 at 12:53 pm to
You people in Jefferson Parish that keep voting for Alario should be ashamed of yourself.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
40438 posts
Posted on 4/25/18 at 1:02 pm to
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Not sure about that. If LABI was bringing the bill I would agree. This is being brought by CABL after surveying teachers.


I think LABI and CABL have more in common than we want to admit. CABL seems like they are rather anti-public sector unions.
Posted by BigJim
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2010
15012 posts
Posted on 4/25/18 at 2:15 pm to
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I think LABI and CABL have more in common than we want to admit. CABL seems like they are rather anti-public sector unions.


Well they are pro-education reform. That often puts them on the other side from unions (think tenure, performance, accountability, etc) But I really don't think it's a policy position of their's to weaken unions.

Posted by CoachChappy
Member since May 2013
34143 posts
Posted on 4/25/18 at 2:30 pm to
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You can join APEL for half the cost of membership fees with same benefits and liability insurance and NONE of your money goes to campaign contributions.


THIS!!! I dumped LAE a few years ago. They are worthless. Come join APEL. At the least it will stop the prerecorded phone calls from Debbie MEaux
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
40438 posts
Posted on 4/25/18 at 2:35 pm to
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Well they are pro-education reform. That often puts them on the other side from unions (think tenure, performance, accountability, etc) But I really don't think it's a policy position of their's to weaken unions.


Yeah, but I think it is a policy position of there's that the unions probably stand in the way of some of those other positions they do support.

So maybe they are not officially "anti-union" but they recognize that a strong union - the way teacher unions act today at least - stands in the way of their reforms.

Honestly I'd respect them a lot more if they just came out and said that teacher unions are preventing needed change in education.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42112 posts
Posted on 4/25/18 at 2:46 pm to
We have an election in EBR Saturday.

Almost half of the proposed tax renewal is for teacher pay.

These raises given initially to improve teaching levels in EBR haven't done the job.

Teachers unions care about pay checks and tenure. They have done nothing to improve education.
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