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re: Who is the greatest golfer ever: Tiger or Jack?
Posted on 4/14/18 at 10:52 am to jrtplaya21
Posted on 4/14/18 at 10:52 am to jrtplaya21
Something else that speaks to the depth difference
When Jack played, you had phenomenal athletes that chose to become doctors or lawyers instead of athletes because the money was better. Lol. That shite would never happen today
When Jack played, you had phenomenal athletes that chose to become doctors or lawyers instead of athletes because the money was better. Lol. That shite would never happen today
Posted on 4/14/18 at 11:03 am to lsupride87
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. That shite would never happen today
gotta agree with this..... AND we can thank Jack for that... He kept golf very popular which in turn started making purses go up....
Posted on 4/14/18 at 11:04 am to dukke v
That's a negative
Jack didn't make golf purses that high
Jacks last tourney win, the 86 masters, he won $144,000. Which is the equivalent to $327,000 today.
When Jack played, and when he was done playing, golf was still looked at like a frumpy fat arse rich white man sport
Tiger made it a sport for all walks of life and for in shape athletes
Jack didn't make golf purses that high
Jacks last tourney win, the 86 masters, he won $144,000. Which is the equivalent to $327,000 today.
When Jack played, and when he was done playing, golf was still looked at like a frumpy fat arse rich white man sport
Tiger made it a sport for all walks of life and for in shape athletes
This post was edited on 4/14/18 at 11:09 am
Posted on 4/14/18 at 11:11 am to lsupride87
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Jacks last tourney win, the 86 masters, he won $144,000. Which is the equivalent to $327,000 today.
Ok that's fine.... But without Jack in the 70's golf falls completely off the map... Now I will say that what Tiger did from 97-05 was incredible.... He was and is STILL great for Golf... But that's not the question here... I will say this one more time.... Jack has 18 majors and finished 2nd 19 times... That will NEVER EVER be touched ...Even if Tiger never has the nov2009 incident and stayed completely healthy...... He would not have matched this....
Posted on 4/14/18 at 5:46 pm to pbro62
Comparing players from different eras.
entails different equipment.
Better food.
Better medical treatments
Jacks 33 finals.
Tiger dominated his era and sold a lot of clothes.
I suspect that young Jack would best young tiger, all other things being equal.
We will never know.
I vote jack on on-course character. Tiger still acts a fool if "fortune" tests him.
He's like 9 yr old.
Now.
entails different equipment.
Better food.
Better medical treatments
Jacks 33 finals.
Tiger dominated his era and sold a lot of clothes.
I suspect that young Jack would best young tiger, all other things being equal.
We will never know.
I vote jack on on-course character. Tiger still acts a fool if "fortune" tests him.
He's like 9 yr old.
Now.
Posted on 4/14/18 at 6:49 pm to L.A.
fields were so much deeper when tiger played. Here are the reuslts of the 1966 british open. laughable. tiger is the GOAT.
1 Jack Nicklaus USA 70 67 75 70 282
2 Doug Sanders USA 71 70 72 70 283
2 Dave Thomas GBR 72 73 69 69 283
4 Bruce Devlin AUS 73 69 74 70 286
4 Kel Nagle AUS 72 68 76 70 286
4 Gary Player RSA 72 74 71 69 286
4 Phil Rodgers USA 74 66 70 76 286
8 Dave Marr USA 73 76 69 70 288
8 Sebastian Miguel ESP 74 72 70 72 288
8 Arnold Palmer USA 73 72 69 74 288
8 Peter Thomson AUS 73 75 69 71 288
12 Dick Sikes USA 73 72 73 72 290
13 Harold Henning RSA 71 69 75 76 291
13 Christy O'Connor Sr IRL 73 72 74 72 291
15 Julius Boros USA 73 71 76 72 292
16 Peter Butler GBR 73 65 80 75 293
16 Alex Caygill GBR 72 71 73 77 293
16 Jimmy Hitchcock GBR 70 77 74 72 293
16 Ronnie Shade (A) GBR 71 70 75 77 293
20 Peter Alliss GBR 74 72 75 73 294
20 Roberto De Vicenzo ARG 74 72 71 77 294
20 Doug Sewell GBR 76 69 74 75 294
23 Eric Brown GBR 78 72 71 74 295
23 Peter Townsend (A) GBR 73 75 72 75 295
23 George Will GBR 74 75 73 73 295
26 Keith Macdonald GBR 75 74 70 77 296
27 Michael Bonallack (A) GBR 73 76 75 73 297
27 Dennis Hutchinson RSA 74 73 73 77 297
27 Bobby Stanton AUS 73 72 73 79 297
30 Fred Boobyer GBR 72 76 77 73 298
30 Bobby Cole (A) RSA 73 75 73 77 298
30 Christy Greene IRL 72 76 76 74 298
30 Allan Henning RSA 73 73 74 78 298
30 Tony Jacklin ENG 74 76 72 76 298
30 Tony Lema USA 71 76 76 75 298
36 Dai Rees GBR 75 72 77 75 299
37 Roberto Bernardini ITA 76 73 73 78 300
37 Bob Charles NZL 74 74 77 75 300
37 Barry Franklin RSA 77 72 79 72 300
37 David Snell GBR 73 75 76 76 300
37 Guy Wolstenholme GBR 73 76 73 78 300
42 Cyril Pennington GBR 74 75 76 76 301
43 Jock Burns GBR 76 73 76 77 302
43 Brian Huggett GBR 76 73 80 73 302
43 Hedley Muscroft GBR 73 75 79 75 302
43 Bobby Walker GBR 74 72 76 80 302
47 Malcolm Gregson GBR 79 71 74 79 303
47 Eric Lester GBR 74 76 74 79 303
47 George Low GBR 75 72 79 77 303
50 Gordon Cunningham GBR 75 75 76 79 305
50 John Panton GBR 78 72 81 74 305
52 Craig Defoy GBR 76 73 79 78 306
52 David Miller GBR 73 77 78 78 306
52 Frank Rennie GBR 74 75 81 76 306
55 Reg Knight GBR 77 73 77 80 307
55 Lionel Platts GBR 74 74 78 81 307
55 Sandy Wilson GBR 76 74 76 81 307
58 Tony Coop GBR 74 76 79 79 308
59 Tony Grubb GBR 79 70 84 76 309
60 John Carter GBR 72 77 85 77 311
60 Bill Hector GBR 76 72 78 85 311
62 Lew Taylor GBR 77 71 78 87 313
63 Iain Clark GBR 77 70 86 82 315
1 Jack Nicklaus USA 70 67 75 70 282
2 Doug Sanders USA 71 70 72 70 283
2 Dave Thomas GBR 72 73 69 69 283
4 Bruce Devlin AUS 73 69 74 70 286
4 Kel Nagle AUS 72 68 76 70 286
4 Gary Player RSA 72 74 71 69 286
4 Phil Rodgers USA 74 66 70 76 286
8 Dave Marr USA 73 76 69 70 288
8 Sebastian Miguel ESP 74 72 70 72 288
8 Arnold Palmer USA 73 72 69 74 288
8 Peter Thomson AUS 73 75 69 71 288
12 Dick Sikes USA 73 72 73 72 290
13 Harold Henning RSA 71 69 75 76 291
13 Christy O'Connor Sr IRL 73 72 74 72 291
15 Julius Boros USA 73 71 76 72 292
16 Peter Butler GBR 73 65 80 75 293
16 Alex Caygill GBR 72 71 73 77 293
16 Jimmy Hitchcock GBR 70 77 74 72 293
16 Ronnie Shade (A) GBR 71 70 75 77 293
20 Peter Alliss GBR 74 72 75 73 294
20 Roberto De Vicenzo ARG 74 72 71 77 294
20 Doug Sewell GBR 76 69 74 75 294
23 Eric Brown GBR 78 72 71 74 295
23 Peter Townsend (A) GBR 73 75 72 75 295
23 George Will GBR 74 75 73 73 295
26 Keith Macdonald GBR 75 74 70 77 296
27 Michael Bonallack (A) GBR 73 76 75 73 297
27 Dennis Hutchinson RSA 74 73 73 77 297
27 Bobby Stanton AUS 73 72 73 79 297
30 Fred Boobyer GBR 72 76 77 73 298
30 Bobby Cole (A) RSA 73 75 73 77 298
30 Christy Greene IRL 72 76 76 74 298
30 Allan Henning RSA 73 73 74 78 298
30 Tony Jacklin ENG 74 76 72 76 298
30 Tony Lema USA 71 76 76 75 298
36 Dai Rees GBR 75 72 77 75 299
37 Roberto Bernardini ITA 76 73 73 78 300
37 Bob Charles NZL 74 74 77 75 300
37 Barry Franklin RSA 77 72 79 72 300
37 David Snell GBR 73 75 76 76 300
37 Guy Wolstenholme GBR 73 76 73 78 300
42 Cyril Pennington GBR 74 75 76 76 301
43 Jock Burns GBR 76 73 76 77 302
43 Brian Huggett GBR 76 73 80 73 302
43 Hedley Muscroft GBR 73 75 79 75 302
43 Bobby Walker GBR 74 72 76 80 302
47 Malcolm Gregson GBR 79 71 74 79 303
47 Eric Lester GBR 74 76 74 79 303
47 George Low GBR 75 72 79 77 303
50 Gordon Cunningham GBR 75 75 76 79 305
50 John Panton GBR 78 72 81 74 305
52 Craig Defoy GBR 76 73 79 78 306
52 David Miller GBR 73 77 78 78 306
52 Frank Rennie GBR 74 75 81 76 306
55 Reg Knight GBR 77 73 77 80 307
55 Lionel Platts GBR 74 74 78 81 307
55 Sandy Wilson GBR 76 74 76 81 307
58 Tony Coop GBR 74 76 79 79 308
59 Tony Grubb GBR 79 70 84 76 309
60 John Carter GBR 72 77 85 77 311
60 Bill Hector GBR 76 72 78 85 311
62 Lew Taylor GBR 77 71 78 87 313
63 Iain Clark GBR 77 70 86 82 315
Posted on 4/14/18 at 6:51 pm to lsugolf1105
Nice cherry pick use of a British Open. The Open had just become a tournament Americans started playing in again in late 50’s after Palmer went back there. Palmer made the Open relevant to Americans it was the World Championship basically.
This post was edited on 4/14/18 at 6:53 pm
Posted on 4/14/18 at 6:56 pm to sms151t
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Nice cherry pick use of a British Open
yet no one discounts the british from his record.
Posted on 4/14/18 at 7:11 pm to lsugolf1105
But you’re using a tournament where there’s more world names not Americans as a way to discredit him
Boros was a US PGA champ
Charles was British and top 5 in other majors
Sanders was Rickie basically
Boros was a US PGA champ
Charles was British and top 5 in other majors
Sanders was Rickie basically
This post was edited on 4/14/18 at 7:15 pm
Posted on 4/14/18 at 7:14 pm to sms151t
Most career Masters....Jack
Most career Pga Champ...Jack
Most career US Opens....Jack
Most career titles.....Snead
Most career tennis titles....Connors
Would anyone consider Connors better than Federer?
No
Most career Pga Champ...Jack
Most career US Opens....Jack
Most career titles.....Snead
Most career tennis titles....Connors
Would anyone consider Connors better than Federer?
No
Posted on 4/14/18 at 7:14 pm to lsupride87
quote:
Tiger made it a sport for all walks of life
White people are just white people but black people with some Asian blood speak are all walks off life?
It's just black people and Asians roaming the earth?
That's it, that's all walks of life?
How does he speak to "all walks of life?" And Jack was just a white fat guy?
People respond to athletes not just race...and more importantly they respond to country origin and pride.
Is Tiger a Spanierd, a Swede (he married one) - a Russian, an Australian, a Brazilian, a Pole, an Italian, a Greek, Persian, was he born on the Nile river? Is he Indian, his father said he'd be bigger than Buddha.
There's been a lot of nonsense said about Tiger Woods as if he appealed to everyone.
Tiger was still an American.
It was the European resurgance in the 80's that spread the game globally. Because people care about countries not just race and Americans were dominanting golf for the past 30 years.
When Tiger came along there were already a ton of global players who had kept the game popular by winning and winning a lot after Jack retired.
The game was already growing back globally before Tiger. He didn't start the global resurgance and make golf for everyone.
Maybe to some kid in Australia, Greg Norman made the game "for everyone." Now Australians mattered in golf for once.
Posted on 4/14/18 at 7:16 pm to lsurapper2
Huh? I don’t consider Fed better than Laver so your point?
I mean he’s trying to discredit a field when the fields are basically made up of same type player historically.
I mean he’s trying to discredit a field when the fields are basically made up of same type player historically.
This post was edited on 4/14/18 at 7:17 pm
Posted on 4/14/18 at 7:21 pm to sms151t
quote:
But you’re using a tournament where there’s more world names not Americans as a way to discredit him
Boros was a US PGA champ
Charles was British and top 5 in other majors
Sanders was Rickie basically
there are about 15 elite golfers that played that year. unless you think guys like Alex Caygill are elite.
Posted on 4/14/18 at 7:22 pm to lsugolf1105
How many elite golfers are playing when Tiger played? How many are elite now?
I think we have a tendency to dilute “elite” status Are you elite if you challenge or win a major? Top 10?
I think we have a tendency to dilute “elite” status Are you elite if you challenge or win a major? Top 10?
This post was edited on 4/14/18 at 7:24 pm
Posted on 4/14/18 at 7:28 pm to sms151t
At their respective peaks, Tiger Woods was the most dominant and influential golfer the galaxy has ever seen, him winning and retaining his no. 1 status was as comparable an inevitability as Michael Jordan winning titles or LeBron leading whatever team he comprised to an NBA Finals. Jack's great and an all-timer but I can't put him over Tiger in that respect, too insurmountable.
Posted on 4/14/18 at 7:32 pm to sms151t
the 1966 british had 10 americans in the field. 10.
it was significantly easier to get a top 5 in a major in jack's day than it was for tiger. not sure how you could argue otherwise.
it was significantly easier to get a top 5 in a major in jack's day than it was for tiger. not sure how you could argue otherwise.
This post was edited on 4/14/18 at 7:33 pm
Posted on 4/14/18 at 7:37 pm to lsugolf1105
What? There were more Major winners playing when Nicklaus played than when Tiger played. Tiger at his best was better yes. But for totality Jack was the better golfer
Jack is only a stroke and maybe lower in 43 years of Augusta than Tiger was in average The equipment is easier to play now.
Jack is only a stroke and maybe lower in 43 years of Augusta than Tiger was in average The equipment is easier to play now.
This post was edited on 4/14/18 at 7:40 pm
Posted on 4/14/18 at 7:41 pm to lsugolf1105
So only Americans are good at golf?
Posted on 4/14/18 at 7:47 pm to sms151t
quote:
What?
so you think it was easier for jack to get a top 5 in a major than tiger? seriously?
quote:
Jack is only a stroke and maybe lower in 43 years of Augusta than Tiger was in average The equipment is easier to play now.
you do know how different the course is today, don't you?
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