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Lat pulldown or pull-up?
Posted on 1/24/18 at 11:22 am
Posted on 1/24/18 at 11:22 am
Which do you think is better for maximizing gains in the worked muscle groups?
And which is more difficult to achieve- 200 pound (200 + bodyweight) weighted pull-ups or one-handed pulldowns (pulling the entire stack of weight)?
I'm trying to develop elite pull strength (and no I can't do deadlifts).
And which is more difficult to achieve- 200 pound (200 + bodyweight) weighted pull-ups or one-handed pulldowns (pulling the entire stack of weight)?
I'm trying to develop elite pull strength (and no I can't do deadlifts).
This post was edited on 1/24/18 at 11:34 am
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Posted on 1/24/18 at 11:26 am to The Silverback
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and no I can't do deadlifts
Bitch made syndrome ?
Posted on 1/24/18 at 11:26 am to The Silverback
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And which is more difficult to achieve- 100 pound weighted pull-ups or one-handed pulldowns (pulling the entire stack of weight)?
I would assume it depends on the amount of weight in the stack.
Posted on 1/24/18 at 11:27 am to StraightCashHomey21
Bilateral sciatica and two disc protrusions
Posted on 1/24/18 at 11:29 am to guedeaux
Well I don't know exactly how much weight it is, but the bottom weight reads "290" on it
Posted on 1/24/18 at 11:31 am to The Silverback
Which do you think is harder
Posted on 1/24/18 at 11:34 am to SabiDojo
Can't decide.
Posted on 1/24/18 at 11:48 am to The Silverback
Weighted one arm pullups is the ultimate pulling strength for vertical pulling.
Posted on 1/24/18 at 12:22 pm to The Silverback
Pullups are way better than Pulldowns to me, and it isn't close
Posted on 1/24/18 at 12:35 pm to The Silverback
Weighted Pullups or Chinups are my first excercise every back day.
In my opinion Lat pulldown may be one of the worst exercises for developing back muscles. I'm not saying it can't be used but it should be used more along the lines of finisher/isolation move later in the workout, never as a main exercise.
In my opinion Lat pulldown may be one of the worst exercises for developing back muscles. I'm not saying it can't be used but it should be used more along the lines of finisher/isolation move later in the workout, never as a main exercise.
Posted on 1/24/18 at 1:20 pm to The Silverback
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Can't decide.
Really? Do you do a lot of pullups?
Posted on 1/24/18 at 1:29 pm to lsu777
That would be a great accomplishment
Posted on 1/24/18 at 1:30 pm to SabiDojo
Yes. Pull-ups with just the bar, 2.5 inch thick fat grips, and even by hanging on to a towel with each hand.
Posted on 1/24/18 at 1:31 pm to Buckeye06
Whatever it takes to build elite vertical pull strength. I am trying to figure out the best way to do the same for horizontal pulling without aggravating my back injury.
Posted on 1/24/18 at 1:32 pm to CorkRockingham
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In my opinion Lat pulldown may be one of the worst exercises for developing back muscles. I'm not saying it can't be used but it should be used more along the lines of finisher/isolation move later in the workout, never as a main exercise.
I think they are great if you want to really stress that ROM in the routine or time under tension, no different than using resistance bands or even rings/TRX straps (though I think resistance bands and rings are better).
Like pullups, lat pulldowns are only as great as your form.
This post was edited on 1/24/18 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 1/24/18 at 1:42 pm to The Silverback
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Yes. Pull-ups with just the bar, 2.5 inch thick fat grips, and even by hanging on to a towel with each hand.
Break it down for me, brotha. What are your reps, sets, what kinds of pullups, etc. I see you do towel pullups. That's great. Any other kinds? Do you ever mix it up?
Posted on 1/24/18 at 2:35 pm to The Silverback
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Bilateral sciatica and two disc protrusions
damn
A Silverback needs to deadlift
Posted on 1/24/18 at 2:39 pm to SabiDojo
Number of reps and sets varies depending on if I do other Grip training that day or not (captains of crush grippers, plate pinches, etc.)
Without the additional Grip training, I'll usually do 5-6 sets of standard pull-ups. I will usually do 2-3 sets with a wide grip and 2-3 sets with a more narrow grip. As far as reps go, I'll go for 8-12 for the first three then 4-6 on the last sets. When I do weighted pull-ups, I'll go for burnout.
If I do weighted pull-ups. It'll usually only be my last two sets (I hang from the bar for 30 seconds after doing the reps).
I'll change it up big time (for rep range and number of sets) when I go to the gym where they have bars at various angles to pull yourself up from.
The only other kind of pull-ups I've done outside impf what I listed were rope pull-ups. At the crossfit section of the gym I go to (I don't do crossfit btw) they have two long thick ropes hanging down beside one another. I'll grip one in each hand and do pull-ups that way too. My form isn't great because the ropes move around (unlike bars) but I still get great range of motion.
Without the additional Grip training, I'll usually do 5-6 sets of standard pull-ups. I will usually do 2-3 sets with a wide grip and 2-3 sets with a more narrow grip. As far as reps go, I'll go for 8-12 for the first three then 4-6 on the last sets. When I do weighted pull-ups, I'll go for burnout.
If I do weighted pull-ups. It'll usually only be my last two sets (I hang from the bar for 30 seconds after doing the reps).
I'll change it up big time (for rep range and number of sets) when I go to the gym where they have bars at various angles to pull yourself up from.
The only other kind of pull-ups I've done outside impf what I listed were rope pull-ups. At the crossfit section of the gym I go to (I don't do crossfit btw) they have two long thick ropes hanging down beside one another. I'll grip one in each hand and do pull-ups that way too. My form isn't great because the ropes move around (unlike bars) but I still get great range of motion.
Posted on 1/24/18 at 2:42 pm to StraightCashHomey21
I would if I could, trust me. When I was a 155 pound sophomore in high school, I worked my way up to a 340 pound deadlift in my first ever deadlift training session.
For reference, Benedikt Magnusson (one of the strongest deadlifters ever) did 475 in his first session.
But since I herniated a disc, I've lost weight and cut out certain lifts. My grip is stronger than it's ever been, but my lower body is not.
For reference, Benedikt Magnusson (one of the strongest deadlifters ever) did 475 in his first session.
But since I herniated a disc, I've lost weight and cut out certain lifts. My grip is stronger than it's ever been, but my lower body is not.
Posted on 1/24/18 at 3:02 pm to The Silverback
Ebooks
above is a link to a bunch of books I have on my google drive. Look in the bodyweight and gymnastics folders. Start working on heavy weighted chins, explosive pullups, archer pullups, weighted ring rows, front and back lever. all of these should be double even with your back the way it is.
above is a link to a bunch of books I have on my google drive. Look in the bodyweight and gymnastics folders. Start working on heavy weighted chins, explosive pullups, archer pullups, weighted ring rows, front and back lever. all of these should be double even with your back the way it is.
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