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re: To what extent is society morally obligated to save heroin addicts?
Posted on 1/22/18 at 7:06 pm to TigersSEC2010
Posted on 1/22/18 at 7:06 pm to TigersSEC2010
Lost an uncle to drug addiction.....kind of. He really like the way meth smelled. Got all cranked out and ended up coming to a traumatic end in jail. Point is, I loved the guy and there was a time when he and I were very close. The drugs changed that. He made a bad decision (actually a lot of bad decisions) and I blame nobody for that but him. He was the poster boy for "play stupid games win stupid prizes".
What I'm saying is, no. Society don't owe a drug addict a goddamn thing.
What I'm saying is, no. Society don't owe a drug addict a goddamn thing.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 7:07 pm to TigersSEC2010
I can't really pretend to be objective on this question after having a front row seat to a close relative's heroin addiction. If this person had OD'ed I'm sure I would've been begging for somebody to save them, but in all honesty, there are times when having an addict running rampant through your life almost seems like the worse option. It feels like the person you know and love is already irretrievably lost, so the least they could do is lie down decently and stop fricking everything up.
Addiction is a serious drain on resources, but I would have no problem with compelling the pharmaceutical companies responsible for creating and perpetuating the opioid crisis to foot a large portion of the bill.
Addiction is a serious drain on resources, but I would have no problem with compelling the pharmaceutical companies responsible for creating and perpetuating the opioid crisis to foot a large portion of the bill.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 7:08 pm to TigersSEC2010
Oh, hadn't heard of this Narcan stuff. Must be awesome. I think I'll take up heroin so I can qualify for free Narcan.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 7:12 pm to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
quote:you've obviously never had anybody you cared about hooked on dope.
Lol yes we can, and should
Posted on 1/22/18 at 7:13 pm to DeepBlueSea
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I would have no problem with compelling the pharmaceutical companies responsible for creating and perpetuating the opioid crisis to foot a large portion of the bill.
Slow down there turbo. A LARGE portion of this blame falls directly on JCAHO and patient satisfaction based reimbursement. The rest of the blame falls on the fricking people that choose to do stupid shite.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 7:15 pm to TigersSEC2010
it sucks taxpayers have to fund saving these people
dealers >>> users
dealers >>> users
Posted on 1/22/18 at 7:15 pm to deeprig9
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Human compassion and dignity. Foreign concept to you?
How is keeping someone alive who does not want to be "compassionate?
Posted on 1/22/18 at 7:16 pm to TigersSEC2010
I think if you stumble upon someone ODing, you are morally obligated to attempt to save their life. But, behind emergency care, I don't think we are obligated to try to make them not be drug addicts. It's a waste of time and resources. If they want help, they will seek it out. Forcing people into rehab is stupid and doesn't work.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 7:16 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Sometimes. Society owes nothing to anyone though.
There is someone in this thread who would give their last cent in exchange for one more day with their own blood. To think that's not of import to anyone but him is fricking tragic.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 7:22 pm to Sao
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We've bitched and moaned to save others from drunk drivers for decades. This isn't different, in fact, it's much more certain of an outcome.
Does a heroin overdose usually kill a mother of three driving down the road? Drunk drivers usually don’t kill themselves. They kill others.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 7:28 pm to TigersSEC2010
It’s a medical professional’s job to save lives, so at the point that they become involved, there are no options unless the ODing idiot is wearing a DNR tag.
If you want personal accountability to take the upper hand, start voting to legalize all drugs instead of having the government shield people from themselves.
Edit: Regarding the feelings of the loved ones of the ODing idiot, those feelings are apparently not reciprocated by the person who put too much escape drug in their body.
If you want personal accountability to take the upper hand, start voting to legalize all drugs instead of having the government shield people from themselves.
Edit: Regarding the feelings of the loved ones of the ODing idiot, those feelings are apparently not reciprocated by the person who put too much escape drug in their body.
This post was edited on 1/22/18 at 7:32 pm
Posted on 1/22/18 at 7:38 pm to fr33manator
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I think he’s back in jail for being a heroin addict
He sure does struggle with the "don't get caught" part.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 7:48 pm to deeprig9
Really? during the crack epidemic it was lock them up
Posted on 1/22/18 at 7:50 pm to TigersSEC2010
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I understand we can't just let them die.
Expand your thinking.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 7:52 pm to 14&Counting
That's because crack addicts were mostly minorities. Heroin addicts are white and "good people" who were struck down with addiction through no fault of their own. Just walking down the street one day when they caught the addiction.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 7:53 pm to deeprig9
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Human compassion and dignity. Foreign concept to you?
Dude. This is TigerDroppings. No such thing exists, unless "you look like me, live like me, speak like me, and believe as I do".
Posted on 1/22/18 at 7:54 pm to drunkenpunkin
quote:i don't like to play the race card, but this is spot on.
That's because crack addicts were mostly minorities. Heroin addicts are white and "good people" who were struck down with addiction through no fault of their own. Just walking down the street one day when they caught the addiction.
you'll see those who preach "personal responsibility" toss it to the side when it comes to black tar.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 7:56 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
I don't either, but that's the straight up truth. Nobody cares when it stays in the ghettos.
This post was edited on 1/22/18 at 7:57 pm
Posted on 1/22/18 at 7:57 pm to Sao
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There is someone in this thread who would give their last cent in exchange for one more day with their own blood.
There a alot of people who would do this for many reasons. Society is still not obligated
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To think that's not of import to anyone but him is fricking tragic
Tragic though it may be, you can't save everyone. And sometimes you have to focus on those who want to be saved.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 8:08 pm to TigersSEC2010
We should spend money providing treatment to people, instead of using them to fill a required quota for some privatized tax dollar farm...
Sending a non-violent user to prison not only highly reduces the chance of finding employment later, but in many cases will criminalize these individuals. This often results in a vicious cycle of drug use/distribution, and crime.
Sending a non-violent user to prison not only highly reduces the chance of finding employment later, but in many cases will criminalize these individuals. This often results in a vicious cycle of drug use/distribution, and crime.
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