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re: does O have the nerve to trust his QB?

Posted on 1/22/18 at 11:21 pm to
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 1/22/18 at 11:21 pm to
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No, all coaches have input. Not all coaches coaches interfere.


What's the difference in your opinion?

All coaches "interfere". It's their job.
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
44337 posts
Posted on 1/22/18 at 11:24 pm to
in·ter·fere
?in(t)?r'fir/Submit
verb
1.
prevent (a process or activity) from continuing or being carried out properly.


in·put
'in?po?ot/Submit
noun
noun: input; plural noun: inputs
1.
what is put in, taken in, or operated on by any process or system.
"perceptions and sensory input"
a contribution of work, information, or material.


As you can now see, the difference between providing input and interfering is night and day.

Your rudimentary English language lesson is done for the day. Move along.
This post was edited on 1/22/18 at 11:26 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
263330 posts
Posted on 1/22/18 at 11:27 pm to
: to interpose in a way that hinders or impedes : come into collision or be in opposition
2 : to strike one foot against the opposite foot or ankle in walking or running —used especially of horses
3 : to enter into or take a part in the concerns of others
4 : to act reciprocally so as to augment, diminish, or otherwise affect one another —used of waves

Boom
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
44337 posts
Posted on 1/22/18 at 11:32 pm to
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to interpose in a way that hinders or impedes : come into collision or be in opposition


You do realize that this, from the primary definition, proves my point, right?

I'm guessing you don't.
This post was edited on 1/22/18 at 11:36 pm
Posted by KennesawTiger
Your's mom's house
Member since Dec 2006
7097 posts
Posted on 1/22/18 at 11:40 pm to
If you think that will be good enough for Special Ed, you are fooling yourself.

Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
263330 posts
Posted on 1/22/18 at 11:40 pm to
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You do realize that this, from the primary definition, proves my point, right?


It does not.

An offensive and defensive coordinators plans are contingent on the game plan. First and foremost. It is not created in a vacuum.

Every coordinator in America changes their plans to fit into the overall strategy, this is revised throughout the game. This will always be done with input from both.

No coordinator in the country has total control of their strategy. It should be challenged or the head coach is derilect in his duty.

Now, the degree of input is something totally different. If the head coach is overriding continually, then he's not just interfering, he's coopted the entire process

This is what some people think Orgeron did to Canada

Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
44337 posts
Posted on 1/22/18 at 11:45 pm to
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Now, the degree of input is something totally different. If the head coach is overriding continually, then he's not just interfering, he's coopted the entire process


Interfere is to input as coopt is to interfere. Maybe that will help you.

The notion that all head coaches "interfere" is just flat out wrong.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
263330 posts
Posted on 1/22/18 at 11:46 pm to
quote:

The notion that all head coaches "interfere" is just flat out wrong.


100% of them do
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
67781 posts
Posted on 1/22/18 at 11:46 pm to
I think An issue is that O lacked a fundamental understanding of his own offense when making fundamental changes.

Motions weren’t just a minor aspect of Canada’s offense. When you get blown out 37-7, telling the offense just to slow down and simplify isn’t the answer. Thats what Les did for years and it didn’t get us anywhere.
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
44337 posts
Posted on 1/22/18 at 11:49 pm to
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100% of them do


Ignorant.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
263330 posts
Posted on 1/22/18 at 11:51 pm to
quote:

Motions weren’t just a minor aspect of Canada’s offense. When you get blown out 37-7, telling the offense just to slow down and simplify isn’t the answer. Thats what Les did for years and it didn’t get us anywhere.


The problem we were having was the offensive penalties. I'm not sure if the players couldn't grasp it or they just weren't getting it right.

Slowing down tempo is a pretty huge deal for Canada. I think O just fricked up the hire
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
67781 posts
Posted on 1/22/18 at 11:59 pm to
False start and illegal shift weren’t even our biggest issue.

We had more holding than illegal shifts and false starts combined.

It wasn’t just the offense. We’re were getting straight up beat and penalties like holding and illegal blocks are a natural result.

And we took out the motion and the play didn’t improve. We still got no push and got beat on the OLine.

And early one it wasn’t just youth. There was 3 returning starters and a 3rd year sophmore on the line. Only 1 position was held by a true freshmen.

We also had a ton of penalties on special teams and on defense.

Overall as a team where were sloppy as hell and we looked unfocused and unmotivated. Somewhere along the way that got blamed on Canada.

Instead of the guy who’s job it is almost exclusively to motivate and focuse the team.

Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
263330 posts
Posted on 1/23/18 at 12:02 am to
People complain about Troy, that wasn't the worst loss. It was MSU. The team was totally out of sorts and not motivated
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
67781 posts
Posted on 1/23/18 at 12:04 am to
Well I mean When literally every aspect of a team sucks

Maybe point a finger at the leader of the team?

And what did he do to improve the team afterwards?

O gets so much credit for the turnaround after Troy, it’s like propel forget we didn’t already have an embarrassing loss on the record.
Posted by Space Cowboy
Member since Oct 2016
4079 posts
Posted on 1/23/18 at 6:12 am to
It all depends on who the quarterback is and how good he is. Isn't that kind of common-sense? Why did we need a thread for this? I don't get it.
Posted by Space Cowboy
Member since Oct 2016
4079 posts
Posted on 1/23/18 at 6:15 am to
quote:

He's going to let his coordinators coach and not interfere. He promised, again.


If O does that, he'll be the first head coach ever in history to do that loon.
Posted by des4271
Member since Oct 2014
4034 posts
Posted on 1/23/18 at 7:38 am to
I also think you should play "to win" but people will scrutinize that decision also. I thought O should have went for the td against ND but at the same time I understood what he was thinking with the field goal. The problem with O's decision to kick a field goal was the defense had done a poor job of stopping ND on their previous possession and the defense looked tired. There are plenty of coaches that "play it safe", hell, saban is that way, he admitted in NC game he didn't like the play call at the end that led to the td for the win. Lincoln Riley did it to the heisman trophy winner in overtime. There are plenty of coaches that do that, I don't agree with it but that's the facts.
Posted by phideauxlsu
White Oak,TX
Member since Jan 2007
1379 posts
Posted on 1/23/18 at 8:09 am to
He didn't trust Guice ot the Oline on 4th and goal on the 6 inch line in the Bowl game, so there is that..........
Posted by LSUInTheBR
Member since Oct 2017
789 posts
Posted on 1/23/18 at 8:52 am to
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But when the coach asks them what happened with the play


As long as Steve E is asking the questions, I’m okay with it. If Special Ed is, we have issues even CheeriOs can’t ignore.
Posted by danfraz
San Antonio TX
Member since Apr 2008
24550 posts
Posted on 1/23/18 at 8:53 am to
Uh O doesn't trust himself.


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