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re: This Arizona Police Officer thing is blowing up
Posted on 12/11/17 at 1:23 pm to Giant Leaf
Posted on 12/11/17 at 1:23 pm to Giant Leaf
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I think it would be more than fair to say that I never want to interact with a police officer. Anywhere. Cookout, walking down the street, etc
So, the literal handful of actions where the cop is totally out of line/illegal/corrupt indicts ALL cops, despite literally 10s of thousands of daily interactions between officers and citizens that are resolved generally positively, or at least without death or serious bodily harm to even dangerous, violent suspects?
Nice analysis.
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Posted on 12/11/17 at 1:27 pm to Geauxtexastyger
I'm sure the guy crying on the ground for his life wanted to go home to his kids as well..
Too bad his kids will never have a father, because a cop with an AR was "scared".
Too bad his kids will never have a father, because a cop with an AR was "scared".
Posted on 12/11/17 at 1:31 pm to philter
That guy deserved it.
The guy in Arizona did not.
The guy shot in the back at a traffic accident did not.
Why are they so quick to kill, hell go back to revolvers if they can't shoot an automatic without trigger discipline.
The guy in Arizona did not.
The guy shot in the back at a traffic accident did not.
Why are they so quick to kill, hell go back to revolvers if they can't shoot an automatic without trigger discipline.
Posted on 12/11/17 at 1:56 pm to lsu480
5'8"
I called that. You could hear the little man syndrome in his voice.
I called that. You could hear the little man syndrome in his voice.
Posted on 12/11/17 at 2:06 pm to lsufanz
For our LE tacticians claiming that they couldn't move in and cuff him for fear of who might still be in the room and might possibly get caught in a crossfire or get shot thru the door, your argument is shite! You either didn't watch the video or are just incapable of finding fault with LE decisions.
As soon as the kid is dead on the floor they walk right up to the fricking scary door in question and fiddle with the damned card reader several times with no success.
As soon as the kid is dead on the floor they walk right up to the fricking scary door in question and fiddle with the damned card reader several times with no success.
Posted on 12/11/17 at 3:32 pm to lsufanz
when will " i feared for my life " no longer be a valid excuse for murder? fearing for your life is part of being a cop if you don't want the fear find another job.
Posted on 12/11/17 at 4:02 pm to Giant Leaf
No matter what the LE apologists say in all of this, this Mesa cop needs to rot. He was playing a very sadistic game with this man who was in total compliance every step of the way.
OK, so a bunch of scared people in Mesa sided with the cop in this, But now , I don't want to be Brailsford or the Mesa PD for all of the money in the world. His family has a bona fide civil case where the threshold of prof is a lot lower . But, more importantly, these cops, not just Brailsford probably will be indicted in Federal Court for civil rights violations. .....I could see an easy 14th Amendment case here.
I hope the City of Mesa ends up going broke over this and Brailsford ends up drinking himself to death over all of this after being reduced to living under an overpass.
OK, so a bunch of scared people in Mesa sided with the cop in this, But now , I don't want to be Brailsford or the Mesa PD for all of the money in the world. His family has a bona fide civil case where the threshold of prof is a lot lower . But, more importantly, these cops, not just Brailsford probably will be indicted in Federal Court for civil rights violations. .....I could see an easy 14th Amendment case here.
I hope the City of Mesa ends up going broke over this and Brailsford ends up drinking himself to death over all of this after being reduced to living under an overpass.
Posted on 12/11/17 at 4:31 pm to Willie Stroker
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It sucks. I wish there was a better way to prevent humans from using poor judgement.
Sick and tired of hearing that shite from the pro cop side. This guy once he was on t floor and complying with EVERYTHING the cop said for him to do was of minimal to almost no threat to the cops(plural).
Because the cop can say " I was in fear for my safety and life" he gets to execute anybody he wants. That is kind of what you are implying. This was a cowboy cop who was getting his rocks off by issuing ridiculous commands and acting in a demeaning way towards the victim. This cop came in there that night pissed off, mad. He wanted to make somebody pay he wanted to demean someone and yes, he wanted to use his gun that night and he was hell bent on using it. I'm not reaching, I am reasonably assessing this cop's mindset using his own words as a backdrop
Lt Col Grossman would be proud....another body for the bodybag industry ....another win for killology...another gangbanger dead...oh, wait, he wasn't a gangbanger.....oh well, shite happens
Posted on 12/11/17 at 5:19 pm to KiwiHead
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Because the cop can say " I was in fear for my safety and life" he gets to execute anybody he wants. That is kind of what you are implying.
He can claim it all he wants. It’s up to a jury to decide if his claim is plausible. I doubt this guy gets a chance to try again with any semblance of LEO authority.
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This was a cowboy cop who was getting his rocks off by issuing ridiculous commands and acting in a demeaning way towards the victim. This cop came in there that night pissed off, mad. He wanted to make somebody pay he wanted to demean someone and yes, he wanted to use his gun that night and he was hell bent on using it. I'm not reaching, I am reasonably assessing this cop's mindset using his own words as a backdrop
Just as you have the freedom to reach those kinds of speculative conclusions about what you believe his motive to be, the jury is empowered to do the same, but with much more information and evidence than you have.
With that in mind, how much more informed do you really think you are than the jury?
Posted on 12/11/17 at 5:27 pm to Willie Stroker
Well, for starters, I have eyes and a brain and can reasonably deduce from the video....and I was able to wach the front end, not the appalling back end and I can deduce by using common sense what was up with this guy just by listening to him.
There is no reasonable explanation for Daniel Shaver to be dead. I was showing this to a guy who was in Iraq taking down real bad guys, he was appalled by the police officers actions. If I were the judge, I would have told them that while their verdict stands , it is incomprehensible how you came to this verdict.
Still bet this guy went to Lt Col Grossman's class( Killology)...the dude is a real sicko and sadist
There is no reasonable explanation for Daniel Shaver to be dead. I was showing this to a guy who was in Iraq taking down real bad guys, he was appalled by the police officers actions. If I were the judge, I would have told them that while their verdict stands , it is incomprehensible how you came to this verdict.
Still bet this guy went to Lt Col Grossman's class( Killology)...the dude is a real sicko and sadist
Posted on 12/11/17 at 5:42 pm to Willie Stroker
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With that in mind, how much more informed do you really think you are than the jury?
I've been on a jury before. Nothing can make you lose faith in humanity more quickly.
Posted on 12/11/17 at 5:52 pm to KiwiHead
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.the dude is a real sicko and sadist
I’m not sure if I would go that far, but you won’t find me serving as president of his fan club. I also can’t imagine that any sane law enforcement officer would ever want to be serving alongside this guy duinrg any scenario which requires use of force judgment.
A reasonable person concludes that the deceased was probably pulling his pants up (context of cooperative nature). An officer who believes a subject may have a weapon in their waistband directs them to lift up their shirt and turn around. They would then direct the subject to wall backwards toward the officer, assume a kneeling position, cross legs, and place hands on top of head, lacing fingers together. That would enable him to be cuffed, then searched. Everybody goes home. Nobody goes to jail. Everybody keeps their job.
Posted on 12/11/17 at 5:57 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I've been on a jury before. Nothing can make you lose faith in humanity more quickly.
Ditto. I was amazed at how many people try to get out of jury duty because they fear the responsibility of hearing evidence in a case of this nature. I tried to make it through to be seated on a sexual assault case that lacked DNA evidence. Too many people bailed because they felt that DNA is the only evidence worth using. The same thing happened in a traffic court case where a radar wasn’t used to cite some fella for speeding.
People suck.
Posted on 12/11/17 at 6:01 pm to TiVoTiger
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Does anyone else get the feeling there was almost nothing he could've done to prevent getting shot?
oh.. dude was fricked either way. that cop was begging for the opportunity.
Posted on 12/11/17 at 6:37 pm to bmy
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Does anyone else get the feeling there was almost nothing he could've done to prevent getting shot?
oh.. dude was fricked either way. that cop was begging for the opportunity.
Yeah, cop thought he was in Fallujah...at a La Quinta Inn in Arizona.
The slippery slope started when the US professional military started giving their designed for war military surplas equipment to local yokels without any of the military training.
Suddenly with war equipment, they declared war on US citizens and probably really believe they are at war with the public.
You either become a cop or you become a soldier in the US military.
You don't become a cop/soldier. This is America. You're not dealing with Iraq insurgents at a La Quinta Inn you trigger happy killer.
Posted on 12/11/17 at 6:55 pm to bmy
It was very apparent to anyone with eyes and ears that the unfortunate drunk was scared stiff, crying/begging, and trying to comply with the officer’s insane commands. More terrifying are the seven other officer’s unwillingness to rein in this control freak.
What was the point of telling him to have is hands up at all times — his face better hit the floor if he falls, then telling him to crawl?
I’m very surprised the woman didn’t get at least a round in her from her sloppy crawling.
What was the point of telling him to have is hands up at all times — his face better hit the floor if he falls, then telling him to crawl?
I’m very surprised the woman didn’t get at least a round in her from her sloppy crawling.
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Posted on 12/11/17 at 7:10 pm to Willie Stroker
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I was amazed at how many people try to get out of jury duty because they fear the responsibility of hearing evidence in a case of this nature.
I think most people realize that they dont want to be on the bad side of whoever loses.
In this case it was either have your local police department be forever pissed (an obviously dangerous proposition in this county with this set of finest...) at you because you sent one of them to prison, or be endlessly questioned by the media.
They chose the latter.
Posted on 12/11/17 at 7:13 pm to Willie Stroker
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He can claim it all he wants. It’s up to a jury to decide if his claim is plausible. I doubt this guy gets a chance to try again with any semblance of LEO authority.
He should be in jail.. not "trying again".
You realize it's almost impossible for the jury to decide his claim isn't reasonable, right? That's why its horse shite.
Posted on 12/11/17 at 7:47 pm to Volvagia
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He got shot for unnaturally twisting his arm around his shoulder and behind his body, which makes no sense with an ordered kneeling crawl that would have your hands on the ground at all times, especially if drunk and needing to maintain balance and he did it 30 seconds after being warned that if that was tried again they would fire.
You mean the fat kid whose pants were falling down that tried to pick them up? I don't know what you were watching but you are f****** blind
Posted on 12/11/17 at 8:24 pm to demtigers73
What is truly suspect is how that guy had a job as a police officer. He clearly is not capable of handling a stressful situation, much less one that involves life and death.
He had all of the time in the world to walk up to the guy and cuff him, hell, the man was begging him to cuff him. But no, a guy that society has given the authority to enforce the law is incapable of doing that in a responsible manner. Instead, he makes complicated demands that would be difficult for someone follow in a calm situation, much less as a normal guy who is staring down the barrel of multiple rifles. The guy was clearly having a hard time making sense of what he was being ordered to do, and instead of acting as any competent person would, the cop continued to escalate the situation. It's almost like he wanted to shoot him.
If our police forces are going to get all tacticool, for fricks sake there should be some more stringent requirements.
He had all of the time in the world to walk up to the guy and cuff him, hell, the man was begging him to cuff him. But no, a guy that society has given the authority to enforce the law is incapable of doing that in a responsible manner. Instead, he makes complicated demands that would be difficult for someone follow in a calm situation, much less as a normal guy who is staring down the barrel of multiple rifles. The guy was clearly having a hard time making sense of what he was being ordered to do, and instead of acting as any competent person would, the cop continued to escalate the situation. It's almost like he wanted to shoot him.
If our police forces are going to get all tacticool, for fricks sake there should be some more stringent requirements.
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