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re: Can the President pardon someone for a felony?
Posted on 12/3/17 at 7:17 pm to Engineer22
Posted on 12/3/17 at 7:17 pm to Engineer22
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Really I thought Nixon fired his.
Quick Google search also reveals he can. Not much POTUS cannot do.
This is the language in the current statute...
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The Special Counsel may be disciplined or removed from office only by the personal action of the Attorney General. The Attorney General may remove a Special Counsel for misconduct, dereliction of duty, incapacity, conflict of interest, or for other good cause, including violation of Departmental policies. The Attorney General shall inform the Special Counsel in writing of the specific reason for their removal.
Trump does not have the legal authority to fire him.
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Posted on 12/3/17 at 7:25 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
Can he or can't he? He can and would if something bad were headed his way.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 7:32 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
are citing United States Code (USC) or Code of Federal Regulations (CFR)?
Posted on 12/3/17 at 7:47 pm to OMLandshark
quote:How is that different from what is already happening?
Yeah he can, but good fricking luck with the press and Congress not destroying your arse on it.
quote:What for?
hen he will be impeached and kicked out of office.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 7:51 pm to cajunandy
That is the statute pertaining to the appointment of special counsels. It very plainly states who can appoint them and who can fire them. No where does it give the president any authority to fire them. It is very specific in that it gives the Ag the sole authority to appoint them and the sole authority to fire them. Its not a very long statute if anyone cares to read it for themselves.
28 CFR 600.7 Conduct and Accountably part (d)
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28 CFR 600.7 Conduct and Accountably part (d)
LINK
This post was edited on 12/3/17 at 7:57 pm
Posted on 12/3/17 at 7:56 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
Doesn't change the fact that if the president wants the SC gone, he can make him gone
Posted on 12/3/17 at 8:00 pm to JuiceTerry
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Doesn't change the fact that if the president wants the SC gone, he can make him gone
He can want him gone all day long, but Rosenstein is the only one that can fire him. Rosenstein is not a Trump appointee. Rosenstein is also the one that appointed a sc to begin with. Take all of those factors into account and you’ll understand why Muller is still there. Trump can’t fire him and Rosenstein damn sure isnt going to fire him.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 8:04 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
Exactly Trump could apologize tomorrow and the media would still crucify him. He doesn't care about the consequences.
This post was edited on 12/3/17 at 8:05 pm
Posted on 12/3/17 at 8:04 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
quote:First of all, Rosenstein is a Trump appointee, and Trump can fire him anytime he wants to.
Rosenstein is not a Trump appointee. Rosenstein is also the one that appointed a sc to begin with. Take all of those factors into account and you’ll understand why Muller is still there. Trump can’t fire him and Rosenstein damn sure isnt going to fire him.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 8:08 pm to JuiceTerry
And Trump hasn't fired RR's boss either even though he has been critical of him on Twitter. This also tells me there is more going on behind the scenes. Trump may be the target for the left, but he isn't for this investigation.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 8:09 pm to JuiceTerry
You are right. It was Sally Yates who was the Obama appointee, and it was Rosenstein who replaced her. Still doesnt change the language of the statute. Trump can’t fire Muller, only the Ag can or in this case Rosenstein because of Sessions recusal. If you can point me to a statue that says otherwise, im happy to discuss it.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 8:09 pm to OMLandshark
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Yeah he can, but good fricking luck with the press and Congress not destroying your arse on it. Gerald Ford pardoned Richard Nixon and Bill Clinton pardoned Marc Rich. If he pardons someone like Flynn at this point in his Presidency, then he will be impeached and kicked out of office. It’s a virtual certainty.
Flynn, to me, is a double edged sword. I absolutely think he should be pardoned for what he plead to and for lobbying since others have gotten away with it. On the other hand, I can't stand our policy makers being influenced to benefit other countries, which is why I hated Hillary.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 8:12 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
quote:I never said otherwise. What I did say was that Trump could order Rosenstein to fire Mueller. If Rosenstein won't, Trump fires him and appoints someone who will. Have you never heard of the Saturday night massacre?
Trump can’t fire Muller, only the Ag can or in this case Rosenstein because of Sessions recusal.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 8:14 pm to JuiceTerry
I know that statute blows up the narrative from the left that Trump will become desperate and fire Muller if the heat gets to close to him, but it says what it says.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 8:14 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
Trump can fire Rosenstein and every single replacement until someone steps in and agrees to fire Mueller.
So if he really wants Mueller gone, he’s gone.
So if he really wants Mueller gone, he’s gone.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 8:17 pm to Cali 4 LSU
quote:That's a pretty awful approach to crime and punishment and I'd be willing to bet you'd only apply it to people who share your political leanings
I absolutely think he should be pardoned for what he plead to and for lobbying since others have gotten away with it.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 8:19 pm to JuiceTerry
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Have you never heard of the Saturday night massacre?
And did you know that the firing of the sc as a result of the Saturday night massacre was ruled illegal in Nader vs Bork?
LINK
This post was edited on 12/3/17 at 8:21 pm
Posted on 12/3/17 at 8:20 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
quote:That's great and everything, but the statute isn't the be all end all of the hypothetical situation. Trump wants Mueller gone, Mueller gone. Period.
know that statute blows up the narrative from the left that Trump will become desperate and fire Muller if the heat gets to close to him, but it says what it says.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 8:24 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
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I know that statute blows up the narrative from the left that Trump will become desperate and fire Muller if the heat gets to close to him, but it says what it says
If that statute takes away a power the President is given by the Constitution it is not worth the paper it's printed on. Cfpb should ring a bell.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 8:28 pm to AUstar
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POTUS cannot, by definition, obstruct justice
Tell that to Richard Nixon
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