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re: Spare the rod, spoil the child

Posted on 11/15/17 at 1:24 am to
Posted by TJGator1215
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Posted on 11/15/17 at 1:24 am to
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Children who were spanked are more likely to defy their parents, exhibit antisocial behavior and aggression, and experience mental health problems and cognitive difficulties, according to a recent study from the University of Texas at Austin which analyzed 50 years worth of research involving more than 160,000 children. (Researchers defined spanking as an open-handed hit on the behind or extremities.)

The use of spanking to discipline children had the opposite effect.

“Our analysis focuses on what most Americans would recognize as spanking and not on potentially abusive behaviors,” Elizabeth Gershoff, an associate professor of human development and family sciences at the University of Texas at Austin, said in a release. “We found that spanking was associated with unintended detrimental outcomes and was not associated with more immediate or long-term compliance, which are parents’ intended outcomes when they discipline their children.”

“We as a society think of spanking and physical abuse as distinct behaviors,” Gershoff noted. “Yet our research shows that spanking is linked with the same negative child outcomes as abuse, just to a slightly lesser degree.”

Spanking is also linked to mood disorders, anxiety disorders, and alcohol and drug abuse/dependence, according to a 2012 study published in the journal Pediatrics.

Growing up, I didn’t know other little girls who were spanked. It wasn’t the norm among my friends. I’m 32 now and my brother is 34. I’ve been treated for PTSD, anxiety, and depression throughout my life. My brother was diagnosed with schizophrenia almost 10 years ago.

I had hoped that spanking was no longer considered appropriate to parents. Sadly, I was wrong. About 76 percent of men and 65 percent of women, age 18 to 65, agree that a child sometimes needs a “good hard spanking,” according to a 2014 Child Trends national survey. A 1999 study on corporal punishment found that 94 percent of parents of children age three to four admitted to spanking their children in the past year.

Spanking doesn’t make children avoid problem behaviors; it makes them want to avoid another spanking. “Children will work hard to avoid getting caught for the offense that might lead to a spanking, or they will misbehave even more, or they will change their feelings and behaviors toward the spanker and still not change their behavior,” explained Nancy S. Buck, Ph.D., in this article.

Furthermore spanking creates a schism between parent and child. A 2015 study found that showing affection towards children after a spanking doesn’t soothe them, in fact it makes them even more anxious.

Studies show there are more effective ways to punish a child and that’s what I saw playing out in the homes of all my girlfriends. Communication is key. Spanking is a breakdown in communication. Rather than teaching a child how to compromise or reason, frustration takes over and physical boundary violation occurs.

How does it feel to be spanked? It feels like being attacked. As a child I’d often run for my life, believing completely that my life was in danger.



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Posted by Masterag
'Round Dallas
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 11/15/17 at 1:42 am to
i actually don't believe in spanking. i used to, but after teaching for a year i've learned that children don't respond best to fear. it actually causes other bad behaviors, like lying and deception.

once they become older, that old deep seeded fear turns to resentment and an inability for you to have a healthy adult parent-child relationship.

so, you should be creative and think of other consequences and find something other than fear that they will respond to.

You could try talking to them and reasoning with them, explain why their behavior is unacceptable. it takes effort, but if you aren't willing to put it in, you shouldn't have had children.
This post was edited on 11/15/17 at 1:44 am
Posted by FLBooGoTigs1
Nocatee, FL.
Member since Jan 2008
54861 posts
Posted on 11/15/17 at 1:53 am to
Ag I get what you are saying. I think all teens go through some kind of lying stage. Mine did and from speaking to other parents and teachers this just seems to happen at that stage no matter the parenting. I spanked only for last resort but I still have open communication with my kids. I also put them in counseling after my divorce to let them know that all relationships don't end in Divorce and having good communication is a must in healthy relationships.
Posted by Masterag
'Round Dallas
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 11/15/17 at 2:01 am to
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I think all teens go through some kind of lying stage


definitely, but that's when they want to go somewhere or do something. I was referring to younger children. Out of fear of spanking, they will keep things from their parents that they should know. A child may not always be able to tell what will set the parent(s) off and what won't, so they'll lie when it's not necessary.

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spanked only for last resort but I still have open communication with my kids


that's good. like others said, there are degrees of spanking and the extreme will produce worse outcomes.
Posted by northshorebamaman
Cochise County AZ
Member since Jul 2009
35577 posts
Posted on 11/15/17 at 2:05 am to
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i actually don't believe in spanking. i used to, but after teaching for a year i've learned that children don't respond best to fear. it actually causes other bad behaviors, like lying and deception.

I've never officially taken it off the table but I might have done it twice in the last 5 years. I used to do it more often but it just never seemed all that effective. These days I try to tailor the punishment so it directly addresses whatever it is they did.
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
120012 posts
Posted on 11/15/17 at 6:16 am to
When parents disciplined their kids, we had less problems.
Posted by Tempratt
WRMS Girls Soccer Team Kicks arse
Member since Oct 2013
13593 posts
Posted on 11/15/17 at 6:22 am to
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spanking is trashy and harmful


Nope; character building.
Posted by Tempratt
WRMS Girls Soccer Team Kicks arse
Member since Oct 2013
13593 posts
Posted on 11/15/17 at 6:24 am to
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She acts like I killed 3 kittens a bunny and burned down Disneyland from mere words


Posted by Mike da Tigah
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Member since Feb 2005
59131 posts
Posted on 11/15/17 at 6:27 am to
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spanking is trashy and harmful


Quite the opposite. Not spanking enables trashy behavior, and it’s harmful effects are felt by all of society later in life once the parents have the little shits out their home.
Posted by notbilly
alter
Member since Sep 2015
5148 posts
Posted on 11/15/17 at 6:30 am to
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50 year scientific study

Welcome to 2017 where science is fake news around here
Posted by CharlesLSU
Member since Jan 2007
31961 posts
Posted on 11/15/17 at 6:40 am to
Serious question: how many kids do you have?


I will add this: if your teen son is an issue, enroll them in a Texas power football district and sign them up. These coaches are fricking drill seargents and they begin by establishing old fashion tactics.

(you will say yes sir or no sir! Or, we will run you to death! Do I make myself perfectly clear?! If we hear of one issue from your teachers, we will run you until your legs fall OFF! You represent this program 24 hours a day and you wil respect us if nothing else! Our team will be great young men and you will understand that or you will face the consequences of your actions!)

This was the first day of 7th grade football and the staff of 10-12 coaches oversee 254 players, so there is no room for error. I am astonished how well these kids treat each other. A little fear can be a good thing.....or a lot.

This post was edited on 11/15/17 at 6:47 am
Posted by gamatt53
Member since Nov 2010
4934 posts
Posted on 11/15/17 at 6:51 am to
Spanking is a lazy unintelligent method that is wildly popular with the lower classes of society and culta
Posted by Steadyhands
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Member since May 2016
6848 posts
Posted on 11/15/17 at 6:56 am to
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Congrats on being a dick


That's the most laughable piece of shite article I've ever read. Lol wouldn't trust a word from that doc any further than I could throw her.

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Spanking is also linked to mood disorders, anxiety disorders, and alcohol and drug abuse/dependence, according to a 2012 study published in the journal Pediatrics. 

Growing up, I didn’t know other little girls who were spanked. It wasn’t the norm among my friends. I’m 32 now and my brother is 34. I’ve been treated for PTSD, anxiety, and depression throughout my life. My brother was diagnosed with schizophrenia almost 10 years ago. 


That was the funniest part. Bad genetics, yet blame it on spanking... Haha

If spanking is so bad...then why is society as a whole digressing, yet more and more of you are against and spank less. This country was once the nation every other country envied...somehow I don't think spanking has harmed us. It's shitty parenting, lazy parenting, and social media having everyone worried about every last little thing. How about you just not give a shite what some study says you should do or not do and just do your own damn thing. The problem is that a lot of you give a shite what other people think about you, your Costas, your yetis, your truck nuts, etc...most of you are weak individuals and can't make your own way and be your own person without asking and seeing what other people think first.
Posted by TheMidasTouch
Member since Oct 2017
440 posts
Posted on 11/15/17 at 7:07 am to
The research is clear on corporal punishment. It may work in the youngest of children and only when it is mild and infrequent. As children get to age 5 and above, as a whole, spanking simply does not work as a deterrent, other than very short-lived reductions in target behaviors. The behaviors quickly return. There are no long-term positive effects. Furthermore, children who are Spanked and whipped are more likely to show increases in aggressive behaviors. Additionally, and as someone else pointed out, spanking is also associated with numerous other problems in children. The research also shows that there are other methods that may vary from child to child that are much more effective.

I can only laugh when a parent says “ spanking is the only thing that works for my child “ . I ask them how often they use corporal punishment and they typically respond “all the time” or something like that. Well guess what parent? If spanking works for your child why are you having to use it so much?
This post was edited on 11/15/17 at 7:19 am
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
Member since Nov 2005
33687 posts
Posted on 11/15/17 at 7:12 am to
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More like s Shepherd guiding his flock with a staff.

...then using the staff to beat the ever-loving shite out of them when they get out of line?
Posted by Mike da Tigah
Bravo Romeo Lima Alpha
Member since Feb 2005
59131 posts
Posted on 11/15/17 at 7:22 am to
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Spanking is a lazy unintelligent method that is wildly popular with the lower classes of society and culta


Life does not reason with you. It operates on a cause and effect relationship, and kids are not intellectuals. They’re kids. A self espoused intelligent person should understand these concepts.

Negative actions in life begets negative effects from life.
Posted by lsuhunt555
Teakwood Village Breh
Member since Nov 2008
38431 posts
Posted on 11/15/17 at 7:24 am to
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I keep hearing the same thing over and over again. What is wrong with kids these days? It seems to me that there is always an excuse. ADD, ADHD, etc. Never the parents fault. You are the parents. Not their bff's. Act like it. Just saying.




Posted by gamatt53
Member since Nov 2010
4934 posts
Posted on 11/15/17 at 7:26 am to
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A self espoused intelligent person should understand these concepts


I didn't say I was intelligent I said spanking was unintelligent. Reading comprehension is hard eh?

Anyways by all means please continue to use the most popular discipline method of the ghetto and trailer parks. Don't let me get you all flabbergasted
Posted by TheMidasTouch
Member since Oct 2017
440 posts
Posted on 11/15/17 at 7:31 am to
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When parents disciplined their kids, we had less problems

Discipline does not = corporal punishment. Children misbehave today at the same rate they did decades ago.
Posted by Mike da Tigah
Bravo Romeo Lima Alpha
Member since Feb 2005
59131 posts
Posted on 11/15/17 at 7:32 am to
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I didn't say I was intelligent I said spanking was unintelligent. Reading comprehension is hard eh?

Anyways by all means please continue to use the most popular discipline method of the ghetto and trailer parks. Don't let me get you all flabbergasted


You all but insinuated it.

You’re dealing with kids who need to understand cause and effect. Spankings are not beatings. It’s discipline that kids can understand. Don’t do this, and you won’t get that. That doesn’t always have to warrant spankings, but discipline is what’s really lacking these days. I see it every time I go to the grocery store and some soccer mom is trying to reason with a spoiled brat throwing a temper tantrum in the middle of the store. IOW... I see it regularly. We all do.
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