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re: people actually think not qualifying is gonna be that negative towards our future chances?
Posted on 10/14/17 at 12:08 pm to StraightCashHomey21
Posted on 10/14/17 at 12:08 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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In college you still have restrictions on practice and a short arse season
No shite Sherlock. No one in here is arguing for the current system. US Soccer would have to work with the NCAA on reform.
It would take a massive overhaul, but done the right way the NCAA could be extremely useful and essentially an extension of the Academies instead of an underfunded PDL. Continue developing talent with massive resources and built in fan support for the late bloomers.
This post was edited on 10/14/17 at 12:09 pm
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Posted on 10/14/17 at 12:15 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
The NCAA option is a complete non-starter unless the MLS and NCAA can agree to some sort of situation where the college teams are basically just academy teams and the MLS clubs have total control.
Posted on 10/14/17 at 1:22 pm to cave canem
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The one thing that would help the USMNT long term would be our players not wasting their development years in American colleges.
Posted on 10/14/17 at 2:04 pm to Esquire
Involving the NCAA spreads a much wider net and generates interest that the sport is sorely lacking.
If you believe more academies for rich white kids is going to solve the problem then I don't think you can be convinced of anyghing, you are just stuck on regurgitatiNG another's solution to a much different problem.
For the US to become relevant on the world stage we need inner city and rural poor kids to become involved in the sport to a much greater extent and for profit academies or even pay your own way will not cut it.
If the sport had enough mass appeal then minor league and relegation would be the answer, but that is just not where we are right now and generating more interest is the key to making any sort of progress.
If you believe more academies for rich white kids is going to solve the problem then I don't think you can be convinced of anyghing, you are just stuck on regurgitatiNG another's solution to a much different problem.
For the US to become relevant on the world stage we need inner city and rural poor kids to become involved in the sport to a much greater extent and for profit academies or even pay your own way will not cut it.
If the sport had enough mass appeal then minor league and relegation would be the answer, but that is just not where we are right now and generating more interest is the key to making any sort of progress.
Posted on 10/14/17 at 2:39 pm to sgallo3
The notion that young people should play pro sports instead of going college is the crux.
Great for soccer.
Turrble for the million who will never play d1 no less u23 u17 and pro juniors in spain..
Great for soccer.
Turrble for the million who will never play d1 no less u23 u17 and pro juniors in spain..
Posted on 10/14/17 at 4:14 pm to TN Bhoy
Why does it have to be that way? Because it's like that in Europe?
Posted on 10/14/17 at 4:23 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
I guess the better question is would you rather u23s play in the 3 month PDL or have the ability to play an 8-10 month NCAA schedule.
And if you say PDL, who do you want to fund that? Private owners? Or do you want to draw from the MLS and deplete their Academy funding?
Again we're talking about the Dempseys of US Soccer, not the Pulisics.
And if you say PDL, who do you want to fund that? Private owners? Or do you want to draw from the MLS and deplete their Academy funding?
Again we're talking about the Dempseys of US Soccer, not the Pulisics.
Posted on 10/14/17 at 4:24 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
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Why does it have to be that way? Because it's like that in Europe?
Because by the time you're college-aged, you need to be playing much more and in a much more structured way than the NCAA currently allows, and you require better coaching than the NCAA will currently give you.
Posted on 10/14/17 at 4:27 pm to TN Bhoy
So you're arguing against the current model? That I agree with. Are you also arguing against a reformed NCAA model? Is there no place in your mind for the NCAA at all within player development? Or just the current system?
And most collegiate coaches at the major universities are USSF National A and B Licensed so that's a stupid point. Coaching Education can always get better, no matter the country.
And most collegiate coaches at the major universities are USSF National A and B Licensed so that's a stupid point. Coaching Education can always get better, no matter the country.
Posted on 10/14/17 at 4:33 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
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So you're arguing against the current model? That I agree with. Are you also arguing against a reformed NCAA model? Is there no place in your mind for the NCAA at all within player development? Or just the current system?
I've argued for a reformed NCAA model for a while (including above) where the college teams are affiliated with MLS clubs and the MLS clubs are able to choose the coaches, schedule the training, pick the players who are actually on the team, etc. The NCAA would never allow it, though, and there would be far fewer NCAA teams. Basically, the NCAA would become the MLS U-23 league.
This post was edited on 10/14/17 at 4:35 pm
Posted on 10/14/17 at 4:50 pm to TN Bhoy
Yeah that won't happen and it's a stupid idea.
Posted on 10/14/17 at 4:55 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
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No shite Sherlock. No one in here is arguing for the current system. US Soccer would have to work with the NCAA on reform.
It would take a massive overhaul, but done the right way the NCAA could be extremely useful and essentially an extension of the Academies instead of an underfunded PDL. Continue developing talent with massive resources and built in fan support for the late bloomers.
I was responding to a point about Title IX frick face
Posted on 10/14/17 at 5:39 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
The NCAA reform is a non starter. By the time a kid gets to college it's too late.
The biggest villains here are USSF for allowing a closed system. A closed system will never work in soccer. It works in the other big four sports because there are zero professional leagues that are competitive around the world and those big four leagues have access to 99% or more of the talent. MLS has access to 1% of the talent and none of it is world class save for potentially Pulisic.
What USSF needed to do was to force contract provisions in contracts to purchase MLS franchises that provided for Pro/Rel down the road but included renumeration and entry fees for all clubs based on stature.
The money collected could then be used to a have a paid head of US Soccer instead the farce of an elected volunteer and provide money for youth development as well as lower league development.
What MLS owner are failing to understand is that because they do not have a monopoly on the world's best talent they only way to survive is create additional interest through regional competition and dangling a carrot of promotion.
What many people fail to understand is that even in England there are several requirements that need to be met to be promoted.
If MLS serves its own interest and does not start building toward a pro/rel pyramid and develop it will bankrupt itself because without top end talent the league needs localized investment in players from a fan standpoint.
The biggest villains here are USSF for allowing a closed system. A closed system will never work in soccer. It works in the other big four sports because there are zero professional leagues that are competitive around the world and those big four leagues have access to 99% or more of the talent. MLS has access to 1% of the talent and none of it is world class save for potentially Pulisic.
What USSF needed to do was to force contract provisions in contracts to purchase MLS franchises that provided for Pro/Rel down the road but included renumeration and entry fees for all clubs based on stature.
The money collected could then be used to a have a paid head of US Soccer instead the farce of an elected volunteer and provide money for youth development as well as lower league development.
What MLS owner are failing to understand is that because they do not have a monopoly on the world's best talent they only way to survive is create additional interest through regional competition and dangling a carrot of promotion.
What many people fail to understand is that even in England there are several requirements that need to be met to be promoted.
If MLS serves its own interest and does not start building toward a pro/rel pyramid and develop it will bankrupt itself because without top end talent the league needs localized investment in players from a fan standpoint.
Posted on 10/14/17 at 7:42 pm to CelticDog
In europe high school age kids play pro hoops.
In canada high school kids play pro hockey.
We dont pay college kids, no less high school kids to play soccer. Austrians have high school age skiers on lockdown. They live and breathe ski.
In canada high school kids play pro hockey.
We dont pay college kids, no less high school kids to play soccer. Austrians have high school age skiers on lockdown. They live and breathe ski.
Posted on 10/14/17 at 8:54 pm to mizslu314
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I have a few friends who don't really care that much for soccer but we're starting to get hooked on the whole watching USA play thing, that are now like haha that's why no one likes soccer.
Your friends sound like douche bags. You should find better friends.
Posted on 10/15/17 at 2:33 am to GeorgeTheGreek
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Yeah that won't happen and it's a stupid idea.
The U-23 developmental league idea for professional clubs is an idea that is already being trialed in a few places outside of the US. I think it works better in the US because the infrastructure is already largely in place (college teams already exist, have stadia, etc.).
Posted on 10/15/17 at 11:28 am to cave canem
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If you believe more academies for rich white kids is going to solve the problem
The problem here is that you don't understand the point or purpose of an academy (at least as discussed in this thread). Academies are for everyone and most are not expensive at all. The goal is that they are or would be financed by the pro club. I know a lot of kids that play for the Armada academy and most of them are not rich...and probably half of them are not white (not sure why that part matters).
Posted on 10/16/17 at 7:24 am to Dizz
Ask Clint Dempsey and Jordan Morris and many others that question.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 7:38 am to thesoccerfanjax
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The problem here is that you don't understand the point or purpose of an academy (at least as discussed in this thread). Academies are for everyone and most are not expensive at all. The goal is that they are or would be financed by the pro club. I know a lot of kids that play for the Armada academy and most of them are not rich...and probably half of them are not white (not sure why that part matters).
No, The problem is you have either never been to an Academy or are are deluding yourself. The net is just too narrow.
The most popular sports league in the world by far is the NBA, how is this possible without academies and using the NCAA?
Of the top 5 highest revenue leagues in the world only one soccer (EPL) makes the list, all the others use the NCAA system to thrive, please explain some more about what does and does not work.
The thought process that we must do what Europe does is what is broken with the sport stateside, completely different landscape,
Posted on 10/16/17 at 9:01 am to cave canem
God you people are crazy
The American way does not work with soccer and has not the last 40 years
College soccer is no where near the answer
The NCAA system works in sports that we have that are the only league or best in the world. Sports we started. MLS is never going to be that. College soccer isn’t even the same game for fricks sake.
The American way does not work with soccer and has not the last 40 years
College soccer is no where near the answer
The NCAA system works in sports that we have that are the only league or best in the world. Sports we started. MLS is never going to be that. College soccer isn’t even the same game for fricks sake.
This post was edited on 10/16/17 at 9:06 am
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