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Cousins contract question..?
Posted on 10/9/17 at 6:08 pm
Posted on 10/9/17 at 6:08 pm
Are the Pelicans able to offer him an extension? If so, why haven't they?
I just can't believe we are letting him play out his final year without extending or trading him. He could just walk next season and we would have nothing to show for it. That just seems really dangerous..
I just can't believe we are letting him play out his final year without extending or trading him. He could just walk next season and we would have nothing to show for it. That just seems really dangerous..
Posted on 10/9/17 at 6:22 pm to brmark70816
Because, you let it play out til allstar break. If this team is doing well, he is gonna stay. He makes more money by saying. If this team is doing terrible, then you look for trade options.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 6:35 pm to CocoLoco
I just don't like that plan. Especially after we let Anderson and Gordon walk for nothing. I don't even like Cousins, but I know he is easily a max player. Why not extend him, so you have control. If it goes bad, nobody is shelling out for a 2 month rental anyway. If he walks, the franchise is in shambles. Why would anyone take that chance?
Posted on 10/9/17 at 7:33 pm to brmark70816
Yes they can, but the extension would be based on his current, old cap contract so he’d lose a lot of money versus waiting for FA.
This post was edited on 10/9/17 at 7:36 pm
Posted on 10/9/17 at 9:51 pm to TigerinATL
So the Pelicans can offer more this summer than they can now?
Posted on 10/9/17 at 10:32 pm to brmark70816
Yes. If they offered an extension now it would start at $21.5. Next summer his max will start him at $30. So about an $8-$9 million per year difference.
This post was edited on 10/9/17 at 10:33 pm
Posted on 10/9/17 at 11:15 pm to TigerinATL
So they traded for him knowing there was no way he would sign an extension and he was for sure going to be a free agent that tests the market?
I have read 5Y/180M, that is what we can offer him next summer? What is the most other teams can offer him? Would it just be the one less year?
I have read 5Y/180M, that is what we can offer him next summer? What is the most other teams can offer him? Would it just be the one less year?
Posted on 10/10/17 at 5:42 am to brmark70816
One year less and they can only offer 5% raises each year and the Pels can offer 8%. 4/$130 vs 5/&175. Technically $45 million more with the extra year but only $5-$6 million more over the first 4 years.
If this team makes the playoffs and/or trades for Bledsoe I have little doubt that Cousins will resign.
If this team makes the playoffs and/or trades for Bledsoe I have little doubt that Cousins will resign.
This post was edited on 10/10/17 at 5:45 am
Posted on 10/10/17 at 8:14 am to TigerinATL
I've been hoping for the Bledsoe move for so long. Dunno if we have close to enough to get him though
Posted on 10/10/17 at 8:16 am to CocoLoco
After our continued injury luck, I just can't get excited for Bledsoe anymore. I feel like us getting him would kill him
Posted on 10/10/17 at 8:49 am to CocoLoco
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Dunno if we have close to enough to get him though
It won't be cheap. I think you're looking at a minimum of Moore + Ajinca + 1st + 1-2 of another 1st, Diallo, Jackson. And everything but the firsts might need to go to another team because Phoenix has plenty of young bigs and guards. How about a 3 way with the Suns and Sixers? Let's assume the Sixers are making a playoff push so they want to add veterans to make sure they get in.
Jared Dudley, E'Tuwann Moore and Frank Jackson to the Sixers
Jahlil Okafor, 1 of Korkmatz/Luwawu, Ajinca, Pels 1st to the Suns
Bledsoe to the Pels.
Suns get a 1st, a young wing prospect, and a rotation player in Okafor while cutting the money they owe Dudley, a contract they tried to dump on the Pels before the draft, in half by turning him into Ajinca.
The only question I have there is I'm not sure if Frank Jackson and playoff ready vets are enough for Philly to give up Okafor and Kormatz or Luwawu. The Pels might have to throw 2nds or maybe swap out Jackson for a 1st.
From the Pels perspective if it helps you keep Boogie and make the playoffs you do it, especially if you think you can retire Asik and won't need a 1st to dump him.
This post was edited on 10/10/17 at 8:51 am
Posted on 10/10/17 at 10:39 am to TigerinATL
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From the Pels perspective if it helps you keep Boogie and make the playoffs you do it, especially if you think you can retire Asik and won't need a 1st to dump him.
Speaking of, will we know by the deadline if we can retire him/will he actually be retired and off our books by the deadline? Or would he not come off our books until next season?
Posted on 10/10/17 at 11:03 am to Hazelnut
The trade deadline is Feb 8 and you can't apply until it's been a year or Feb 10. So they won't actually know, but if it's February 1st and Asik still hasn't played I think they'll have a pretty good idea.
This post was edited on 10/10/17 at 11:04 am
Posted on 10/10/17 at 11:09 am to TigerinATL
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The trade deadline is Feb 8 and you can't apply until it's been a year or Feb 10. So they won't actually know, but if it's February 1st and Asik still hasn't played I think they'll have a pretty good idea.
So the bottom line is, they can't take advantage of the cap savings from his medical retirement at the deadline right?
Sure, they'd have an idea if he was gonna retire, but it wouldn't be official until after the deadline.
I know they can still get Bledsoe without him medically retiring and just knowing he will retire will free up that 1st that would be used to dump him. But I was hoping we could make a move with some of that space he was taking up.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 11:17 am to Hazelnut
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Sure, they'd have an idea if he was gonna retire, but it wouldn't be official until after the deadline.
Right.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 12:20 pm to TigerinATL
bledsoe makes 14.5MM this year and 15MM next.
so...next year
holiday 26MM
davis 25MM
cousins 30MM
hill 13MM
bledsoe 15MM
109MM for your presumed starting 5. expected 2018 cap is what, 102MM? with the tax line at 120MM?
so...next year
holiday 26MM
davis 25MM
cousins 30MM
hill 13MM
bledsoe 15MM
109MM for your presumed starting 5. expected 2018 cap is what, 102MM? with the tax line at 120MM?
Posted on 10/10/17 at 12:51 pm to cgrand
I've seen the tax line projected at $123 million. With any luck you've dumped Moore, Ajinca and Asik and kept Diallo on the way to that top heavy roster. So you have about $11-$12 million to fill out the bench with. Split the MLE between Clark and a wing (Swaggy P/Will Barton/Ennis) You'd have to let Rondo/Dante/Miller go or bring them back on minimum deals and probably hope Jalen Jones and Charles Cooke are ready to contribute.
Bledsoe/Clark
Holiday/Min/Cooke
Hill/Ennis
AD/Jones
Boogie/Diallo/Min
Benson's going to have to eventually be ok going into the tax because the year after that Bledsoe would be a UFA expecting a raise of $5-$10 million and if Boogie resigning convinced AD to resign he'll be getting a $10+ million raise that year too.
Bledsoe/Clark
Holiday/Min/Cooke
Hill/Ennis
AD/Jones
Boogie/Diallo/Min
Benson's going to have to eventually be ok going into the tax because the year after that Bledsoe would be a UFA expecting a raise of $5-$10 million and if Boogie resigning convinced AD to resign he'll be getting a $10+ million raise that year too.
This post was edited on 10/10/17 at 12:53 pm
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