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re: Bump/Slide stocks are flying off the shelves

Posted on 10/4/17 at 9:58 am to
Posted by cgrand
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Posted on 10/4/17 at 9:58 am to
the slide-fire stock is i think the only time i've ever looked at a firearm product and said "how on earth is this legal to sell?"

its a semi-auto workaround regardless of the marketing and/or intended use. yes you can bump fire any semi-auto rifle, but usually only from the hip, and without much in the way of accuracy. the slide fire stock allows simulated full auto discharge from the shoulder to the target.

like someone else said, common sense has to come into play at some point.
Posted by jdavid1
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 10/4/17 at 10:18 am to
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the slide-fire stock is i think the only time i've ever looked at a firearm product and said "how on earth is this legal to sell?"


You've clearly never seen tannerite.
Posted by DeoreDX
Member since Oct 2010
4059 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 11:24 am to
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its a semi-auto workaround regardless of the marketing and/or intended use. yes you can bump fire any semi-auto rifle, but usually only from the hip, and without much in the way of accuracy. the slide fire stock allows simulated full auto discharge from the shoulder to the target.

like someone else said, common sense has to come into play at some point.


The question will be how do you write the law up to say it is illegal? By definition it isn't a fully automatic fire control group. Can the ATF just ban a product that fits within all of the confines of the current NFA laws because it wants to? Or will the NFA have to be amended/changed? Then how specifically do you change the verbiage to make a bump fire stock illegal?

Lets say you write it up as to make it illegal to have a stock that allows the inertia of the recoil of the rifle to reset the trigger while maintaining pressure on the trigger to instantly fire the rifle as the trigger resets. Job is done right?

Well you could easily design around that by making it a grip that does the same thing. Or maybe a hand guard. OK the law is too specific so lets say any device attached to a rifle that allows the inertia of the rifle to reset the trigger is illegal. Job is now done.

But wait, the device doesn't have to attach the the rifle to bump fire. You could make a bump fire board. You could tie L shaped stick to your shoulder and use that to bump fire. In fact you don't even need anything you can just use your finger and bump fire without anything but the human body interacting with the rifle.

Do you make the act of bump firing illegal? What kind of slippery slope is that? Is that even possible? Would it even be enforceable? What if you accidentally bump fire are you now a felon?

Then you have devices like the GAT trigger. Do you write it up as any device attached or unattached to the gun that allows rapid fire of the gun simulating full auto fire. Who defines rapid fire? Does this now make those high quality custom triggers with short resets and no over travel now illegal because you can shoot much more rapidly with them? Maybe I just have a fast finger is my skill illegal?

ATF is fully aware of bump fire stocks. If getting rid of them was easy without setting dangerous precedents that NRA would fight against I'm sure they would have been banned a long time ago.


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