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re: Vision, philosophy, and planning for a HC
Posted on 9/27/17 at 8:32 pm to Andychapman13
Posted on 9/27/17 at 8:32 pm to Andychapman13
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But they all have a coaching philosophy and master plan to accomplish what they do. I just don't believe Orgeron has that vision, philosophy, and when you lack those 2 things it's hard to develop a plan.
Yep.
You can be a hell of a recruiter but if you don't have a grand strategy, you're just getting pieces that don't necessarily fit together or compliment each other. In the hyper-competitive landscape of power 5 football, that makes a huge difference.
When he was at OM he said his plan was to be like USC. But that wasn't his plan, that was Carroll's plan. When he got the job here he said he wanted a spread offense. Then we ended up with Canada.
He doesn't have any plan for LSU, he just sees what works for others but doesn't know how to implement it because had no part in implementing it for them other than getting the players those people told him to get.
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Posted on 9/27/17 at 8:51 pm to Andychapman13
Cool, congrats!
Do you know Kirby Roy & Stevie Tilson?
Do you know Kirby Roy & Stevie Tilson?
Posted on 9/27/17 at 9:06 pm to Andychapman13
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I was a successful coach, I know what it takes to be successful and where the pitfalls are when you fail.
Cool.
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Are you drunk or are you just projecting your frustration of the failure of this coach onto us? Because you sound like a Hillary voter right now!
Ah, the ole politics on a sports board. And I'm frustrated - Brilliant !!!
Explain to me "Mr Great Coach", why did a more talented FSU team lose to a less talented NC St team at home?
Was it his great management of his talent? Was it because he is the QB whisperer? What happened?
Posted on 9/27/17 at 9:58 pm to Tiger Ree
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Tiger Ree
Ah, welcome back buddy. We were worried about you after Coach Eaux let our team get bent over by MSU.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 9:59 pm to Andychapman13
There's been a few interviews and pressers with Orgeron where he's talking in great detail about his plans for the program and what his staff needs to accomplish for long term success. He acknowledged where the gaps were on last years roster and this year's as well, then actually talked about his plans to fill these gaps.
Following the loss to Bama last year, interim HC Orgeron is on record saying that Bama has totally controlled the LOS on both sides of the ball for the last couple of years. He goes on to say that LSU needs to recruit better talent across both lines and they need to get bigger and stronger up front. So, it's pretty clear at this point that Orgeron's assessment and plan to help mitigate the gap between LSU & Bama last year was spot on. However, the problem here is that Orgeron failed to execute his own plans and vision which is all that really matters.
I just feel that even if Coach Orgeron has a plan and vision, he's going to more than likely struggle with the execution part.
Following the loss to Bama last year, interim HC Orgeron is on record saying that Bama has totally controlled the LOS on both sides of the ball for the last couple of years. He goes on to say that LSU needs to recruit better talent across both lines and they need to get bigger and stronger up front. So, it's pretty clear at this point that Orgeron's assessment and plan to help mitigate the gap between LSU & Bama last year was spot on. However, the problem here is that Orgeron failed to execute his own plans and vision which is all that really matters.
I just feel that even if Coach Orgeron has a plan and vision, he's going to more than likely struggle with the execution part.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 10:04 pm to Andychapman13
Really they screen the calls you moron I'm sure they really are having technical difficulties.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 12:51 am to Andychapman13
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But they all have a coaching philosophy and master plan to accomplish what they do. I just don't believe Orgeron has that vision, philosophy, and when you lack those 2 things it's hard to develop a plan.
Why do you believe that? Because O lost one game? Give the man a chance retard and stop acting like you know shite because you obviously don't know shite retard!
Posted on 9/28/17 at 12:57 am to Andychapman13
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Jimbo might be 0-2 on the year
What? He's 0 & 2! Fire him!
Was my impersonation of a coach O hater pretty good?
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He has a resume that lets him have that kind of start a time or 2 in his career
You left out the best part, his last name isn't Orgeron!
Posted on 9/28/17 at 1:07 am to Andychapman13
He's played four games and won three out of the four games and like a loon based on just four games you have already coronated him a failure. So don't wonder why I call you a retard. Indeed, it's because you are obviously a retard.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 1:10 am to Space Cowboy
There's no reality to the narrative he's earned the luxury of being allowed to fail. That's a 100% opinion based excuse for people who don't wanna face the facts of their own hypocrisy and bias. You will see the same people echoing that BS who rip Sabans 2004 season.
This post was edited on 9/28/17 at 1:11 am
Posted on 9/28/17 at 6:08 am to Tiger Ree
Make shite up and DECLARE it to be true is the staple of the Rant.
FIFY
FIFY
Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:06 am to Space Cowboy
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He's played four games and won three out of the four games and like a loon based on just four games you have already coronated him a failure. So don't wonder why I call you a retard. Indeed, it's because you are obviously a retard.
I decided O wasn't the a good fit for the LSU coaching job after he took a decent program like Ole Miss who has history of being successful to 3 consecutive losing seasons and a 3-21 SEC record. The biggest loss to an unranked opponent in LSU history did help solidify that fact. The fact that the "great Miss St team" that beat got skull drug by UGA the next weekend and we were in a 2 pt game against a Syracuse team who did better against us than they did against Middle Tennessee last weekend further confirms that. I'm not a drama queen, I'm not using words like "retard" and "loom", I'm simply explaining on a fundamental level why things are not working out for coach O the way many optimists thought they would.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:15 am to RichJ
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Jimbeau planned so well, he can't win a game because his #1 QB goes down!
Jimbo also has a long track record of success. A bad few games, or even a bad season, doesn't mean squat when you have the resume Jimbo has.
Now if that continues for several years in a row, then questions can start being asked.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:18 am to Space Cowboy
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He's played four games and won three out of the four games and like a loon based on just four games you have already coronated him a failure.
The win over BYU has now been heavily discounted because BYU has one of the worst offenses in the country.
Chattanooga doesn't count. Destroyed by Miss State. And beat Syracuse at home, but stats were even and it was a 2 point game late in the 4th quarter.
That all sound good to you?
Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:20 am to Space Cowboy
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He has a resume that lets him have that kind of start a time or 2 in his career
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You left out the best part, his last name isn't Orgeron!
Poor, poor Eddie O. He just can't get a fair shake anywhere.
How dare anyone judge him on what he's done in his career?
Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:20 am to Andychapman13
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Jimbo might be 0-2 on the year but I bet his radio show isn't "not taking calls tonight because of technical difficulties". He has a resume that lets him have that kind of start a time or 2 in his career.
I wouldn't want to take calls either from some couch coach who thinks they know what they are talking about, when in reality they just sound like a buffoon. Yes some make good points but many have no idea what they are talking about.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:21 am to Andychapman13
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Saban, Meyer, Harbaugh, Swinney, Fisher, Patterson
But do they have a binder and put hot sauce on their gumbo?
Didn't think so.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:26 am to Andychapman13
quote:Binder is the plan.
But they all have a coaching philosophy and master plan
Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:28 am to The Mick
I like Coach Orgeron, and would like to give him time. I just can't stop thinking about P.J. Fleck and how is approach is so thorough and energetic. I guess the grass is always greener...
Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:35 am to emt007
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I wouldn't want to take calls either from some couch coach who thinks they know what they are talking about, when in reality they just sound like a buffoon. Yes some make good points but many have no idea what they are talking about.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but that is the whole point of the show, isn't it?!?! I mean he does a presser every week and covers everything. The show exists so he can inneract with the fan base so that they can feel they have some "ownership" in the program. I don't listen to it and certainly don't call in, but when you sign up to be the head coach of LSU football you do take on these certain responsibilities.
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