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Why is the United States opposed to an independent Kurdish State?

Posted on 9/26/17 at 1:23 pm
Posted by Sentrius
Fort Rozz
Member since Jun 2011
64757 posts
Posted on 9/26/17 at 1:23 pm
The kurds are having an independence referendum this week and it is expected to pass.

The United States and its allies oppose the measure. Why is that?

No flaming. Just want the rationale here.

Would love to hear from MrCarton here as that dude is pretty fricking solid when it comes to the mideast.
Posted by 225bred
COYS
Member since Jun 2011
20903 posts
Posted on 9/26/17 at 1:25 pm to
I thought a democratic Kurdistan would be good for the US.
Posted by cokebottleag
I’m a Santos Republican
Member since Aug 2011
24080 posts
Posted on 9/26/17 at 1:27 pm to
Well, I'll take a shot.

- Kurds are immortal enemies of the Arabs, Turks, Armenians, and Iranians.

None of these groups wants the Kurds to have a state.

All of these groups fall under alliances to either a current or former superpower.

Therefore, they have no state.

I'm sure if the Kurds only had enemies on one side of the NATO/Russia fight, the other would have made an effort to create a Kurdish state.

Also: we just foolishly invested a few dollars into building up Iraq as a sovereign nation. We lose face if they break up.
This post was edited on 9/26/17 at 1:28 pm
Posted by BamaFinland
Espoo, Finland
Member since Oct 2015
2587 posts
Posted on 9/26/17 at 1:28 pm to
Who's land are they supposed to be taking from this when Kurds are generally from 4 different countries?
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
68460 posts
Posted on 9/26/17 at 1:28 pm to
I'll take Saudi Arabia for $1000 Alex
Posted by Port Royal
You Name It , I've Been There
Member since Nov 2016
1811 posts
Posted on 9/26/17 at 1:32 pm to
a millennia of violence between Turks, Persians , and Kurd's

this time it's Erdogan acting like a cry baby

the Turks hold NATO and it's strategic significance, vis-a vis Russia, over the head of the US to always get what they want
Posted by Rakim
Member since Nov 2015
9954 posts
Posted on 9/26/17 at 1:35 pm to
Because all the major groups will declare war including Iran, Iraq, Syria and Turkey. The independent state takes land and resources from those countries.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
138911 posts
Posted on 9/26/17 at 1:35 pm to
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the Turks hold NATO and it's strategic significance, vis-a vis Russia, over the head of the US to always get what they want


I agree with this.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
133455 posts
Posted on 9/26/17 at 1:37 pm to
quote:

The United States and its allies oppose the measure. Why is that?

Because NATO member Turkey is opposed to it.
Posted by Rakim
Member since Nov 2015
9954 posts
Posted on 9/26/17 at 1:37 pm to
quote:

Who's land are they supposed to be taking from this when Kurds are generally from 4 different countries?


This is the fundamental question and nobody wants to give a chunk of important land to the Kurds. The US doesn't need this headache we are trying to unite these groups against ISIS.
Posted by Rakim
Member since Nov 2015
9954 posts
Posted on 9/26/17 at 1:39 pm to
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I agree with this.


I think Europeans probably don't mind Turkey in NATO, it makes sense. What they don't like is the US pressuring Europe to place Turkey in the EU.
Posted by CrazyCow202
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2016
266 posts
Posted on 9/26/17 at 1:41 pm to
The land that they won with blood and sweat from ISIS that they already lived in the first place
Posted by geauxnavybeatbama
Member since Jul 2013
25134 posts
Posted on 9/26/17 at 1:42 pm to
We created a country for Israel and Iraq post ww2 and Czech post ww1. The surrounding countries had issues with it
Posted by tiderider
Member since Nov 2012
7703 posts
Posted on 9/26/17 at 1:44 pm to
quote:

he kurds are having an independence referendum this week and it is expected to pass.

The United States and its allies oppose the measure. Why is that?

No flaming. Just want the rationale here.

Would love to hear from MrCarton here as that dude is pretty fricking solid when it comes to the mideast.


not trying to flame here, but why do you (and a majority of americans) not know the answer to this?
Posted by TheHarahanian
Actually not Harahan as of 6/2023
Member since May 2017
22823 posts
Posted on 9/26/17 at 1:55 pm to
If the Kurds have a lot of oil, and are willing to give us a lot of it for little or nothing, I believe their chances of getting a nation of their own would increase dramatically.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39155 posts
Posted on 9/26/17 at 1:57 pm to
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The kurds are having an independence referendum this week and it is expected to pass.



For numerous reasons.

First a primer. The Kurds are an ethnic Persian group that are spread across multiple countries in West Asia, including Turkey, Iraq, Iran, and Syria. There are about 25 to 35 million Kurds. There are a couple of major groups . The PYD/YPG, the PKK, the KDP, the KNC, and the PUK. They are not a monolithic group. The referendum is an extension of the KDP and PUK, groups that fought a civil war in the 1990s, with the KDP vs the PUK/PKK, and invited Turkish intervention in 1997.

The Turks have been fighting a 40 year civil war with the PKK, as 20% of their population is Kurdish, and some Syrian Kurds, who make up the PYD/YPG, are descendants of Kurds who were displaced from Anatolia during the rise of Turkish nationalism. There is a great deal of historical animosity between those two groups, so much so that an independent Kurdish state would almost certainly ensure war with Turkey.

The other Kurdish groups were funded by different governments. For example, the Iraqi Kurds received funding from the Iranians in both the pre-Shah and post-Shah era, and the same is true of the Iranian Kurds.

An independent Kurdish state would fracture Iraq, and would send southern Iraq further into Iran's orbit, while at the same time alienating the Sunni's in Western Iraq. Turkey would immediately be openly hostile to an independent Kurdish state, depending on its shape, while Iraqi nationalists want to prevent the Kurds from leaving so as to limit Iranian influence. The Iranians are likely to suppress their Kurdish elements that want independence as well. Also in the Iraqi case, a key pipeline to Turkey goes through Kurdistan, and access to those payments is seen as key in rebuilding Iraq.

I think a completely independent state would almost certainly spell a major war at some point in time. An autonomous Kurdish region within Iraq is the most likely avenue to avoid a major war.

This post was edited on 9/26/17 at 2:02 pm
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
138029 posts
Posted on 9/26/17 at 2:00 pm to
I had a Kurd Uber driver when I was in San Diego. I asked him why he still liked the US after we continue to leave them out to dry. He said he still loves the US because it's the greatest country on Earth and has continuously tried to keep his people safe. That dude loved the US more than 75% of Americans.
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