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re: Hillary thinks 1984 is about the importance of trusting politicians and the media

Posted on 9/13/17 at 7:27 am to
Posted by Chimlim
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jul 2005
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Posted on 9/13/17 at 7:27 am to
Hillary is surrounded by people who reassure her how wonderful, smart, and courageous she is. They are too scared to be honest with her. Sadly, this includes the media.
Posted by Jay Quest
Once removed from Massachusetts
Member since Nov 2009
9809 posts
Posted on 9/13/17 at 7:40 am to
The woman is a devoted follower of the guru of misinformation, distortion and lies, Saul Alinsky. What else would she claim to believe about Orwell's book?
Posted by Rockbrc
Attic
Member since Nov 2015
7943 posts
Posted on 9/13/17 at 7:47 am to
Erasing political dissidents is something she has simply and expertly dominated.
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
36237 posts
Posted on 9/13/17 at 7:49 am to
If Hillary is a Star Wars fan, she cheers for the Empire.
Posted by CptRusty
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11740 posts
Posted on 9/13/17 at 7:50 am to
I guess she missed the part where the guy delivering electric shocks was one of the party "leaders". From the ministry of truth if I recall correctly.

1984 is one of my favorite books, and I've never once thought of it as a call to trust government. I'm thankful every day that it was not, in fact, "her turn".
Posted by chickenpotpie
Member since Aug 2013
1161 posts
Posted on 9/13/17 at 7:55 am to
The worst part is that there are so many people in this country that think that way & still support her. So many people just begging for their own demise.
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
79881 posts
Posted on 9/13/17 at 7:55 am to
This book is like an after-the-fact "Mein Kampf".
Posted by BigJim
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2010
14513 posts
Posted on 9/13/17 at 7:57 am to
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Why are there so many Hillary Clinton topics here? Is she even relevant anymore? Even Trump has moved on from her.


She is the gift that keeps on giving. The OP was quoting HER recently released book.
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
79881 posts
Posted on 9/13/17 at 8:00 am to
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We dodged a huge bullet by rejecting her in 2016.


More like a depleted uranium shell.

Which I guess, in a sense, is a huge bullet.
This post was edited on 9/13/17 at 8:04 am
Posted by HubbaBubba
F_uck Joe Biden, TX
Member since Oct 2010
45850 posts
Posted on 9/13/17 at 8:02 am to
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Is English your first language?
Missed your snappy, yet trivial, one-liners. How ya' been?
Posted by Pecker
Rocky Top
Member since May 2015
16674 posts
Posted on 9/13/17 at 8:06 am to
As strange as it seems, both the left and the right use 1984 to demonize opposing views. I read a piece on the Atlantic about high school teachers using the book to rebuke Trump.

As if Trump is an authoritarian communist. Which is what Orwell was writing about.
Posted by Stingray
Shreveport
Member since Sep 2007
12421 posts
Posted on 9/13/17 at 8:08 am to
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Is English your first language?


I took this to be addressed to Hillary.
Posted by Big_Slim
Mogadishu
Member since Apr 2016
3977 posts
Posted on 9/13/17 at 8:13 am to
It sounds more retarded than it does authoritarian. I mean just shite tier analysis with the sentence structure of an eighth grader writing a book report.
This post was edited on 9/13/17 at 8:19 am
Posted by Tammany Tom
Mandeville
Member since Jun 2004
3204 posts
Posted on 9/13/17 at 8:16 am to
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As strange as it seems, both the left and the right use 1984 to demonize opposing views.


Yes, but only one side (Left) has almost all control of the media (90%+), academia (75%+), is obsessed with erasing the past (monument removals), is doing everything in it's power to restrain free speech (Berkeley, etc), and is obsessed with identity politics to divide the masses.
Posted by Jay Quest
Once removed from Massachusetts
Member since Nov 2009
9809 posts
Posted on 9/13/17 at 8:16 am to
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As strange as it seems, both the left and the right use 1984 to demonize opposing views

That's not really strange when you think about it. The book demonized established authority. Both sides would likely believe it's the opposing authority that needs to be overcome.

hillary's take is bizarre in that she seems to champion the established authority.
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
79881 posts
Posted on 9/13/17 at 8:19 am to
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hillary's take is bizarre in that she seems to champion the established authority.


I don't find it so much bizarre as it is revealing.

This book of hers, thus far, has not disappointed. It's an absolute confirmation of what most of us already knew. This time the words are coming from her own mouth, and not just second-hand rumors. And there's little she can do to equivocate them, even if she cared to do so.
This post was edited on 9/13/17 at 8:21 am
Posted by Navytiger74
Member since Oct 2009
50458 posts
Posted on 9/13/17 at 8:20 am to
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"Attempting to define reality is a core feature of authoritarianism," the former secretary of state wrote in her new book, "What Happened." "This is what the Soviets did when they erased political dissidents from historical photos. This is what happens in George Orwell's classic novel Nineteen Eighty-Four when a torturer holds up four fingers and delivers electric shocks until his prisoner sees five fingers as ordered," she added.


So she opens the paragraph like this, clearly stating that defining reality and undermining objectivity is a "core feature" of authoritarian systems/leaders like the Soviets and the
government of Oceana in 1984. Clearly not an endorsement of unchecked government authority. She then, accurately but somewhat clumsily, goes on to point out that destroying alternative sources of information or authority, which could serve as a credible check to State power (in this case the Office of the President), is critical to this effort. And that includes delegitimizing institutions such as:
1. Media - Check
2. Polls (that you don't like) - Check
3. SMEs in a variety of fields from diplomacy and arms to science and medicine - Check
4. Other government leaders to include Congressional leadership, senior career officials, and one's own appointed leaders (McConnell, Ryan, McCain, DoS, The IC, the Attorney General and Deputy Attorney General, etc) - Check

She's not arguing that the message of 1984 is to trust media and the government. She's saying that the story illustrates the importance totalitarian states place on abasing all competing centers of moral, intellectual, or actual authority. The idea that "I and my inner circle are the only ones you can trust" is classic totalitarian inception. Not saying Trump is actually IRL pursuing dictatorial authority, because he frankly doesn't know what to do with the powers he already has. But his entire public narrative fits that to a letter. Good thing most aren't buying this particular brand.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
68425 posts
Posted on 9/13/17 at 8:21 am to
That's an eye opening line.
quote:

...toward exactly the people we need to rely on: our leaders, the press, experts who seek to guide public policy based on evidence, ourselves.

What a statist. The only correct thing in the line is last and and afterthought to her.
This post was edited on 9/13/17 at 8:40 am
Posted by Jay Quest
Once removed from Massachusetts
Member since Nov 2009
9809 posts
Posted on 9/13/17 at 8:21 am to
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I don't find it so much bizarre as it is revealing.

Yep. Yours is definately a better take.
Posted by CptBengal
BR Baby
Member since Dec 2007
71661 posts
Posted on 9/13/17 at 8:21 am to
Good to see you as stupid as ever, polly.
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