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BYU and LSU fan here. Here's what will happen tomorrow.
Posted on 9/1/17 at 11:30 am
Posted on 9/1/17 at 11:30 am
First off, some background. I've been a tiger fan my entire life. Graduated from LSU in '02. Watched every LSU game for as long as I can remember either at the Stadium or at my grandparents with the rest of our family.
However I've also watched BYU for as long as I can remember. We are not Mormon but both of my parents competed colegiately for BYU back in the 70's. And it was a group of about 15 Mormons who came and mucked out my entire street after Katrina, so I have a warm spot for them.
Anyway, I'm probably one of the few people in America who follows LSU and BYU football, so thought I'd be worth it to share a few thoughts on BYU for those on this board.
1. BYU won't roll over. Their talent isn't close to LSU's but LSU needs to get up early and keep the foot on the throat. If not, BYU will hang around and find a way to make it interesting. The BYU qb (Mangum) is essentially a Hail Mary specialist, so if it comes down to one possession at the end of the game, BYU probably won't feel nervous.
2. That being said, BYU's offense is overall a disappointment. Above average offensive line, but no RB's or WR's that would even threaten for playing time in any power 5 conference. They have a freshman tight end (Bushman) who will be really good, and he might be able to do some things against LSU linebackers. But he's not a game changer. They are trying a running back by committee thing, but none of their backs are remarkable in any way.
3. BYU's qb was very highly touted coming out of high school (he out-dueled Jameis Winston in elite 11 to give you an idea of how long ago that was) but I am here to tel you he is nothing to worry about. His reads are slow, he's never seen speed like the LSU secondary. He will get greedy and force things. He's not very mobile. Overall last week vs Portland State he just looked uncomfortable and timid. An FCS team had him rattled, so unless he has some kind of awakening between last Saturday and tomorrow, I think he's good for 2-3 interceptions and maybe 100 yards passing. I'll be surprised if LSU doesn't have at least 6 sacks.
4. Defensively, BYU should not be overlooked. They have a very tough and deep defensive line, and an athletic group of linebackers. Secondary isn't SEC quality but athletic enough. BYU doesn't beat teams with athleticism and talent, they assignment-sound football, try to win the turnover battle, and they are tough.
BYU's D is pretty experienced and good enough to take advantage of LSU's mistakes. I don't think BYU stays in the game without creating several turnovers and maybe even scoring on defense.
Anyway, as a fan of both schools I want it to be a good game, but last week BYU didn't show enough for me to think they'll be able to keep it close.
I'll be at the game in full LSU gear, but if you're mingling around before the game, strike up a conversation with the BYU folks. They are more normal than youd think, but I like to offer them some beer just to watch what they do!
LSU 34 BYU 10
However I've also watched BYU for as long as I can remember. We are not Mormon but both of my parents competed colegiately for BYU back in the 70's. And it was a group of about 15 Mormons who came and mucked out my entire street after Katrina, so I have a warm spot for them.
Anyway, I'm probably one of the few people in America who follows LSU and BYU football, so thought I'd be worth it to share a few thoughts on BYU for those on this board.
1. BYU won't roll over. Their talent isn't close to LSU's but LSU needs to get up early and keep the foot on the throat. If not, BYU will hang around and find a way to make it interesting. The BYU qb (Mangum) is essentially a Hail Mary specialist, so if it comes down to one possession at the end of the game, BYU probably won't feel nervous.
2. That being said, BYU's offense is overall a disappointment. Above average offensive line, but no RB's or WR's that would even threaten for playing time in any power 5 conference. They have a freshman tight end (Bushman) who will be really good, and he might be able to do some things against LSU linebackers. But he's not a game changer. They are trying a running back by committee thing, but none of their backs are remarkable in any way.
3. BYU's qb was very highly touted coming out of high school (he out-dueled Jameis Winston in elite 11 to give you an idea of how long ago that was) but I am here to tel you he is nothing to worry about. His reads are slow, he's never seen speed like the LSU secondary. He will get greedy and force things. He's not very mobile. Overall last week vs Portland State he just looked uncomfortable and timid. An FCS team had him rattled, so unless he has some kind of awakening between last Saturday and tomorrow, I think he's good for 2-3 interceptions and maybe 100 yards passing. I'll be surprised if LSU doesn't have at least 6 sacks.
4. Defensively, BYU should not be overlooked. They have a very tough and deep defensive line, and an athletic group of linebackers. Secondary isn't SEC quality but athletic enough. BYU doesn't beat teams with athleticism and talent, they assignment-sound football, try to win the turnover battle, and they are tough.
BYU's D is pretty experienced and good enough to take advantage of LSU's mistakes. I don't think BYU stays in the game without creating several turnovers and maybe even scoring on defense.
Anyway, as a fan of both schools I want it to be a good game, but last week BYU didn't show enough for me to think they'll be able to keep it close.
I'll be at the game in full LSU gear, but if you're mingling around before the game, strike up a conversation with the BYU folks. They are more normal than youd think, but I like to offer them some beer just to watch what they do!
LSU 34 BYU 10
Posted on 9/1/17 at 11:31 am to BYUcoonass
BYU gonna get stomped.
45 - 13
45 - 13
This post was edited on 9/1/17 at 11:32 am
Posted on 9/1/17 at 11:32 am to BYUcoonass
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His reads are slow, he's never seen speed like the LSU secondary. He will get greedy and force things. He's not very mobile.
prayers sent
Posted on 9/1/17 at 11:33 am to BYUcoonass
quote:Oooohhh hell no! Can't have this.
We are not Mormon but both of my parents competed colegiately for BYU back in the 70's.
Quick question, did your mom only TIIHB in college at BYU?
Posted on 9/1/17 at 11:34 am to BYUcoonass
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colegiately
Wut?
Also, it's going to be a bloodbath.
Posted on 9/1/17 at 11:34 am to sicboy
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prayers sent
prayers ain't gonna be enough. Where should we send flowers?
Posted on 9/1/17 at 11:36 am to BYUcoonass
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BYU doesn't beat teams with athleticism and talent, they assignment-sound football, try to win the turnover battle, and they are tough.
I think this is probably the most apt thing I've seen posted on them here. They're "blue collar" type team. Not the best athletes, but they play relatively mistake-free, assignment football.
Posted on 9/1/17 at 11:47 am to BYUcoonass
Great post.
Good luck to both teams. I think your score prediction is gonna be pretty spot on.
Good luck to both teams. I think your score prediction is gonna be pretty spot on.
Posted on 9/1/17 at 11:52 am to saint tiger225
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saint tiger225
Do you have to be a dick in every thread? C'mon brah.
Posted on 9/1/17 at 11:56 am to BYUcoonass
Honestly - I'm not worried about BYU offense versus LSU defense - even with whatever real or perceived dip in talent (I think it is real, but very, very slight, mostly in the secondary, over the past couple of seasons) - we have the best defensive coordinator in America. Which means he's probably the best on the planet - at least of those coaching college football. I'm confident we can keep them off the field and off the scoreboard - 14 to 17 points at most.
I'm worried about our offensive situation. Although I'm not an offensive line chicken little - I don't think we have the offensive "horses" to just run all over BYU. So, we're going to have to pass. We have a new offense. We have a wired back together starting QB. We have zero experience behind him. We have, probably, the best running back in America - certainly Top 3, but he is also nicked and there is almost zero experience behind him.
I'm not sold on our WRs being gamechangers yet - I'm confident there is 1 to 3, but we're going to need them to prove it.
We can hold BYU to 3 points and lose the game if we don't score. I'm worried about LSU offense versus BYU defense, period.
I'm worried about our offensive situation. Although I'm not an offensive line chicken little - I don't think we have the offensive "horses" to just run all over BYU. So, we're going to have to pass. We have a new offense. We have a wired back together starting QB. We have zero experience behind him. We have, probably, the best running back in America - certainly Top 3, but he is also nicked and there is almost zero experience behind him.
I'm not sold on our WRs being gamechangers yet - I'm confident there is 1 to 3, but we're going to need them to prove it.
We can hold BYU to 3 points and lose the game if we don't score. I'm worried about LSU offense versus BYU defense, period.
Posted on 9/1/17 at 11:56 am to BYUcoonass
I agree with most everything you said but one thing.
They looked pretty awful against an FCS team. They were getting beat and where having to he physical. I really think LSU's WRs are going to embarrass them.
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Secondary isn't SEC quality but athletic enough. BYU doesn't beat teams with athleticism and talent,
They looked pretty awful against an FCS team. They were getting beat and where having to he physical. I really think LSU's WRs are going to embarrass them.
Posted on 9/1/17 at 12:24 pm to BYUcoonass
BYU Coonass
Not buying it. No such person.
Registered your name yesterday. Gtfo
Not buying it. No such person.
Registered your name yesterday. Gtfo
Posted on 9/1/17 at 12:34 pm to BYUcoonass
Good read. If LSU plays to its potential it will get ugly.
LSu has turnovers is can get close.
LSu has turnovers is can get close.
Posted on 9/1/17 at 12:37 pm to Ace Midnight
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I don't think we have the offensive "horses" to just run all over BYU. So, we're going to have to pass. We have a new offense. We have a wired back together starting QB. We have zero experience behind him. We have, probably, the best running back in America - certainly Top 3, but he is also nicked and there is almost zero experience behind him.
You're going to be amazed at how many players actually touch the ball in this Offense.
Posted on 9/1/17 at 12:42 pm to lsusteve1
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You're going to be amazed at how many players actually touch the ball in this Offense.
I've seen the Pitt film. I won't be "amazed" because I'm expecting the offense to look like that.
What will surprise me tomorrow will be crisp execution and a dominant performance with that new offense against a quality opponent.
I'm prepared for and more than ready to be "surprised."
Let's do this - let's play some footbawwwwllllll.
Posted on 9/1/17 at 12:46 pm to BYUcoonass
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We are not Mormon but both of my parents competed colegiately
competed?? Hi Les
Posted on 9/1/17 at 1:21 pm to BYUcoonass
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The BYU qb (Mangum) is essentially a Hail Mary specialist
Posted on 9/1/17 at 1:40 pm to BYUcoonass
I could see Mangum getting a decent number of yards but I foresee some turnovers. In the little bit I saw last week he looked OK. Not world beater, but good enough to win some games for you. The rb Canada also didn't look like a game changer but looked decent. Don't know if I saw any other backs get the ball.
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