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BYU Defensive Breakdown
Posted on 8/15/17 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 8/15/17 at 1:30 pm
BYU analysts and fans seem to have some sort of idea that their Defensive will be on the same tier with LSU and this is whats going to be the difference maker in the game being they also believe their Offense is strides ahead of anything LSU can field. So I decided to take a look at some of their 2016 numbers being they are returning leading starters on Defense. (I know its a whole new season, but Im bored asf at work)
2016 they played 6 teams with a top 50 Offensive Rank (Utah actually ended up #51)
#7-Toledo: Toledo racked up almost 700 yards in a 2 point loss
#17 West Virginia: BYU Loses at home 35-32 with 4 Turnovers
#21 Boise St: BYU takes the one point loss after giving up 442 yards through the air (144 yards over Boise's year average of 298 per game)
#44 Miss St: Double OT Home Win over a Miss St team that finished under .500
#48 Wyoming: 3 Point win in a Bowl game, nothing to turn your nose up at...but it was against an 8-5 Wyoming team that had a pretty soft 2016 schedule
#51 Utah: One point loss to a rival that had 6 turnovers in the game
(Minus Southern Utah) BYU's Opponents combined year average was 449 Total yards per game. BYU Allowed a combined average of 380 yards per game against them. So if 69 yard differential makes them a top tier defense then we may be in a world of shite...
BYU ranked #96 in Passing Defense @ 252 yards per game.
Etling averaged 200 Passing yards per game as a starter, Hopefully we see an improvement in the Canada Offense game one.
For reference, Since Coach O took over LSU averaged 464 yards per game and Pitt averaged 446 in 2016
Biggest takeaway Ive seen from watching BYU play is their inability to tackle on first contact. This is were Guice could blow the game open as long as the Oline plays to their potential.
Just my opinions...
2016 they played 6 teams with a top 50 Offensive Rank (Utah actually ended up #51)
#7-Toledo: Toledo racked up almost 700 yards in a 2 point loss
#17 West Virginia: BYU Loses at home 35-32 with 4 Turnovers
#21 Boise St: BYU takes the one point loss after giving up 442 yards through the air (144 yards over Boise's year average of 298 per game)
#44 Miss St: Double OT Home Win over a Miss St team that finished under .500
#48 Wyoming: 3 Point win in a Bowl game, nothing to turn your nose up at...but it was against an 8-5 Wyoming team that had a pretty soft 2016 schedule
#51 Utah: One point loss to a rival that had 6 turnovers in the game
(Minus Southern Utah) BYU's Opponents combined year average was 449 Total yards per game. BYU Allowed a combined average of 380 yards per game against them. So if 69 yard differential makes them a top tier defense then we may be in a world of shite...
BYU ranked #96 in Passing Defense @ 252 yards per game.
Etling averaged 200 Passing yards per game as a starter, Hopefully we see an improvement in the Canada Offense game one.
For reference, Since Coach O took over LSU averaged 464 yards per game and Pitt averaged 446 in 2016
Biggest takeaway Ive seen from watching BYU play is their inability to tackle on first contact. This is were Guice could blow the game open as long as the Oline plays to their potential.
Just my opinions...
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Posted on 8/15/17 at 1:34 pm to Bosethus68
Damn. You must have been bored as shite at work...
Putting all these numbers together looks like...work...
Why not just....do some work?
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BYU will give us a better game than most think.
LSU will pull away after half-time adjustments.
Putting all these numbers together looks like...work...
Why not just....do some work?
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BYU will give us a better game than most think.
LSU will pull away after half-time adjustments.
This post was edited on 8/15/17 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 8/15/17 at 1:36 pm to Bosethus68
Posted on 8/15/17 at 2:03 pm to Bosethus68
If they can't tackle on first contact, OH BOY! It's gonna be a long day for them going against one the most ferocious runners in the nation. Guice simply doesn't go down with one hit.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 2:06 pm to Bosethus68
Well that certainly contradicts any notion that BYU's defense is anywhere near a upper SEC program's norm.
LSU has been slow starters under Les and that is one thing that we all hope to see change going forward.
LSU has been slow starters under Les and that is one thing that we all hope to see change going forward.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 2:09 pm to Bosethus68
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Biggest takeaway Ive seen from watching BYU play is their inability to tackle on first contact
Posted on 8/15/17 at 2:46 pm to Bosethus68
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#17 West Virginia: BYU Loses at home 35-32 with 4 Turnovers
I won't argue your opinion, but I will argue a mistake in stating facts. First, no one is saying that the BYU defense is in the same tier as LSU's defense. And second, BYU played West Virginia in Washington, D.C. at the Redskins stadium. If that was a home game, I can't wait to see what the game in Houston is.
As for some stats, BYU gave up way too many yards between the 20s, but only 19.4 points per game--good for 15th in the country. It was an exercise in heart burn watching the teams churn their way into the redzone only to be turned away or forced into kicking field goals.
Don't ever bring up that Utah game, please.
I looked at Pitt's stats on offense in 2016 and all I see is points. If Canada can get a team to replicate that in the first game, let alone first year of his system, then you won't have him for long.
BYU fans are incredulous about a first game offense performance because of what we've seen from our own boys in the past when new systems have been installed. Who knows if that means anything when it comes to 2017's version of LSU, but that argument is not without merit.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 4:19 pm to Bosethus68
Those stats don't bode well for their defense..
We gave up 220 yards and 9 points to #3 Louisville.
If our defenses were actually semi equal we probably would have given up around 45 points and well over 500 yards.
We gave up 220 yards and 9 points to #3 Louisville.
If our defenses were actually semi equal we probably would have given up around 45 points and well over 500 yards.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 5:53 pm to Bosethus68
None of this really matters,,, Its a new year with different players for both teams..........
Posted on 8/15/17 at 6:32 pm to Bosethus68
Oh this is good work
Posted on 8/15/17 at 6:42 pm to Bosethus68
I don't know 1 BYU fan that has said we are on par or have a similar defense to LSU. So your initial comment is odd.
I do believe we will be much tougher than most of you here think. We lost 4 games last year by a combined 8 points.
Last year was a completely new coaching staff across the board with a terrible O and D line. Both units will be improved but it'll take a couple recruiting classes to get where we need to be.
Your RBs will be the best we see this season. Our hope is that with all the issues on your Oline that we can get pressure in the backfield, but either way Guice will get his.
We are expecting a big jump from year 1 to year 2 as players know their assignments much better.
We started 2 Freshmen at corners last year and they did well but our injury ridden DLine didn't pressure enough. We were #2 in the country at creating turnovers though. And as noted earlier we gave up a lot of yardage in the middle of the field last year but yardage isn't points, we only gave up 19 PPG.
We'll have the advantage at QB, Mangum is an elite QB, he was the co-MVP at the elite 11 with Jamis Winston. He played very well as a true freshman forced into the lineup after an injury to the starter after being back only a few months from his LDS mission. And he was able to really learn the new offense last year while playing behind a 5th year senior.
We also get a week 0 game against Portland St as a tune up so we are hoping you'll have some first game issues we can take advantage of.
I'm still thinking it'll be a shorter game with a lot of running. BYU 17 - LSU 14
I do believe we will be much tougher than most of you here think. We lost 4 games last year by a combined 8 points.
Last year was a completely new coaching staff across the board with a terrible O and D line. Both units will be improved but it'll take a couple recruiting classes to get where we need to be.
Your RBs will be the best we see this season. Our hope is that with all the issues on your Oline that we can get pressure in the backfield, but either way Guice will get his.
We are expecting a big jump from year 1 to year 2 as players know their assignments much better.
We started 2 Freshmen at corners last year and they did well but our injury ridden DLine didn't pressure enough. We were #2 in the country at creating turnovers though. And as noted earlier we gave up a lot of yardage in the middle of the field last year but yardage isn't points, we only gave up 19 PPG.
We'll have the advantage at QB, Mangum is an elite QB, he was the co-MVP at the elite 11 with Jamis Winston. He played very well as a true freshman forced into the lineup after an injury to the starter after being back only a few months from his LDS mission. And he was able to really learn the new offense last year while playing behind a 5th year senior.
We also get a week 0 game against Portland St as a tune up so we are hoping you'll have some first game issues we can take advantage of.
I'm still thinking it'll be a shorter game with a lot of running. BYU 17 - LSU 14
Posted on 8/15/17 at 8:52 pm to Bosethus68
BYU's LB group is one of the more sound tackling groups you'll see. This ain't no LSU vs TAMU game. You're not going to see that. Guice will get his for sure, but he's not going TAMU/Ark on us.
And I agree with others that last year doesn't mean a ton. We also don't face the type of passing offenses that we did last year. Some people point to WV and Toledo like it's something bad, but to be fair, those teams torched basically everyone. Howard and Woodside combined for like 7500 yds. They're known for high powered offenses and had some of the least sacked QBs in the nation.
I'll respect handfuls of things about LSU, but worrying that they'll be like one of those two teams isn't one of them. I'm not worried about Etling going all Woodside on us. I'm hoping BYU is the game that can contribute to cutting down the time until Brennan takes over so you guys can have a passing game. ;)
Guice is elite but how many defenses did he play last year that were close to BYU? Not saying BYU will be as good as LSU, but talking BYU in relation to those defenses. He wasn't destroying better defenses. I expect him to improve but it will be interesting to see how it goes. Obviously it seems Canada's "pro-spread" is a good way to make up for things if the OL isn't up to par (I have to admit I thought it was funny seeing a comment that this year's OL is just as good as last year's). :)
And I agree with others that last year doesn't mean a ton. We also don't face the type of passing offenses that we did last year. Some people point to WV and Toledo like it's something bad, but to be fair, those teams torched basically everyone. Howard and Woodside combined for like 7500 yds. They're known for high powered offenses and had some of the least sacked QBs in the nation.
I'll respect handfuls of things about LSU, but worrying that they'll be like one of those two teams isn't one of them. I'm not worried about Etling going all Woodside on us. I'm hoping BYU is the game that can contribute to cutting down the time until Brennan takes over so you guys can have a passing game. ;)
Guice is elite but how many defenses did he play last year that were close to BYU? Not saying BYU will be as good as LSU, but talking BYU in relation to those defenses. He wasn't destroying better defenses. I expect him to improve but it will be interesting to see how it goes. Obviously it seems Canada's "pro-spread" is a good way to make up for things if the OL isn't up to par (I have to admit I thought it was funny seeing a comment that this year's OL is just as good as last year's). :)
Posted on 8/15/17 at 9:14 pm to Bosethus68
All I know is that I have box seats. Everything else is just speculation.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 11:17 pm to Bosethus68
The invasion has begun.
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