re: Special Counsel Mueller Impanels Washington Grand Jury in Russia Probe

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Ah yes. The crux of it comes down to what a donation is. 11 CFR 110.20 points us to 11 CFR 110.2 for a definition.

It says there: payment, gift, subscription, loan, advance deposit, or anything of value given to a person.

Hmmm. Ok. So I guess the argument here is that something non-monetary could be "something of value".

There is only one case ever that considered assigning value to a non-monetary transfer under the FECA. It was in the dicta of an administrative hearing. It said a polling company hat normally charges a set fee for their work product giving that work product to one candidate could be considered something of value because they would normally sell it to that candidate.

The FECA also states that its statutes are to be liberally construed in favor of the accused.

So...a court would have to liberally construe the law in favor of Donald jr...and for the first time ever determine a non monetary transfer is something of value....and determine that trump solicited this transfer by accepting the meeting...

Yeah. I could see how some legal scholars could make that argument.

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Like we discussed prior when I linked some of the articles referencing lawyers and legal scholars that believe the law covers what Trump Jr. did. Where they make pretty strong cases that something of value definitely extends beyond simple monetary contributions, and they cite that which you mentioned and other parts. In their opinion it extends to things like damaging information to use under the belief it will help a campaign.

it is my view that ultimately since it is up to Mueller and the courts whether anything from these arguments materializes into anything of note or consequence, having declarative arguments about the matter is largely pointless. You clearly are of the opinion nothing will come of it, and nothing should come of it, and that perhaps the law does not extend to non-monetary contributions. That is an opinion you are entitled to. As someone that does not view himself as the final and ultimate authority on the law and the interpretations of it, the fact there are differing opinions amongst highly respected experts and scholars means I am inclined to remain open and not settle on a single conclusion right now.

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it was always gonna happen, from day one, very obviously donald fricking trump was never gonna last long as the President of the United States

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And you're okay with this?

Seriously, put aside your partisan glasses and ask yourself if this sits okay with you.

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And you're okay with this?

Seriously, put aside your partisan glasses and ask yourself if this sits okay with you.

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That fig bolted.

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Mueller's witch hunt will find some process crimes, for sure. They will be on novel and tenuous legal grounds, but, he will say that he found grounds for them.

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Yeah, but does this heavy left leaning biased circus have any credibility? It's like the freaking OJ Simpson jurors.

How disgusting is it that after years of hearing of the crimes of Abiden, and Podesta and Wasserman-Shultz and Clinton and Comey and all the rest that we come home to the evening news and hear that a Grand Jury is finally empanelled, but not for any of them.

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How disgusting is it that after years of hearing of the crimes of Abiden, and Podesta and Wasserman-Shultz and Clinton and Comey and all the rest that we come home to the evening news and hear that a Grand Jury is finally empanelled, but not for any of them.

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What crimes?

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What crimes?

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its tough to say when the acting AG is meeting on a tarmac in an open investigation with a presidential nominees husband. while also refusing to recuse herself and having the sitting president support her decision in that regard.

if there was a special prosecutor in that matter you could bet your arse they would find something illegal done within the broad scope of the investigation

I mean seriously I keep saying it. If you support this investigation of Trump then don't just stop there support a special prosecutor to go after every single elected official and member of congress. 99% chance they find something illegal or on the same lines trump/his associates have done in the past.

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And you're okay with this? Seriously, put aside your partisan glasses and ask yourself if this sits okay with you.

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yes, i am 100 percent ok with this, just as i would be if hillary had won.

i understand why people gravitated to trump, i really do; the country is sick to fricking death of DC politics and the endless corruption and lies and consolidation of power. i feel the exact same way, i completely understand the appeal of an outsider.

but donald trump is not the answer. he is unfit to be president in every possible way.

outsiders are good. "draining the swamp" is good. taking the country back from the government is good, but trump is nothing but a huckster who played on your passion and used it against you, as a lark, just to see if he could do it, just for an ego trip.

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Damn, son. If only these dumdums would listen!

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in no way do i think that all 62M people who voted for trump are dumb. pretty sure i just explained that.