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re: Orgeron's trajectory since Ole Miss is super positive
Posted on 7/30/17 at 6:19 pm to BayouBengals18
Posted on 7/30/17 at 6:19 pm to BayouBengals18
I tend to defend O even though I didn't want him hired so I come across more anti-O posters most likely. As far as the 10 win thing I don't look at seasons that way I never did. Each season no matter who the coach is should be approached based on realistic expectations that coincide with our roster + staff+ schedule not a pre ordained number. I haven't expected 10 wins for Miles since 2013 based on what we had at QB and how Miles used what we had on the roster. This year we probly merit a 9-3 prediction but the extra road SEC game makes 8-4 more possible and I think that's why you're seeing ppl pick the 8 wins as acceptable.
This post was edited on 7/30/17 at 6:20 pm
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Posted on 7/30/17 at 7:55 pm to Madking
I follow these threads sometimes and I've seen no one suggest he be fired after losing a couple of games.
He gets another year with anything over .500. People need to realize his buyout after this year is $12m. $8m after 2018. tear...
He gets at least 2 years for good or bad.
He gets another year with anything over .500. People need to realize his buyout after this year is $12m. $8m after 2018. tear...
He gets at least 2 years for good or bad.
Posted on 7/30/17 at 7:58 pm to wildtigercat93
Lol. You think the qb change did it, or the fact they started playing some horrendous teams? In fact, after the first 3 games(they lost to three teams with winning record, and 46 points to bama), they then went on to play 6 out of 8 games against teams with losing records. Not just losing records, but those 6 teams had a combined record of 26-46. The only two teams they beat with winning records was power house colorado, and Washington. I think most will agree Washington was a competitive team, but way overrated
Posted on 7/30/17 at 8:19 pm to H-Town Tiger
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should be given 3-4 years to see where the program is headed.
NO. I have supported O from the beginning but I would not be willing to give him that long to make his mark. IF he posts a losing season this year (which would cause this site to implode) he should be fired.
There should never be that kind of drop off at this school...EVER.
Posted on 7/30/17 at 8:45 pm to SportTiger1
In the first couple pages of this thread someone said 9-3 is unacceptable. This thread hasn't had ppl arguing over predictions much but the threads that do have a lot of ppl echoing that mentality.
Posted on 7/30/17 at 9:07 pm to Madking
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9-3 is unacceptable
I wouldn't be happy with this...particularly if 2 of those losses were Bama/florida.....that would be unacceptable. Need to beat one if not both of them.
Posted on 7/30/17 at 9:21 pm to whitefoot
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Proven head coaches to do what? Go 9-3 and play in the peach bowl?
Those would have been terribly uninspiring hires and would have been no better than keeping Miles. Once it was clear Jimbo wasn't coming, I was fine to give Orgeron a shot
This is why we can't have nice things
Posted on 7/30/17 at 9:42 pm to olgoi khorkhoi
Yes I agree. Word was bellichek was considering.
Posted on 7/30/17 at 10:57 pm to Space Cowboy
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Yeah right, if Alleva had hired a coordinator to replace Coach Miles, he would have already been run out of town tarred and feathered
what?
he hired a guy that hasnt even proven he can be a successful coordinator and he wasn't run out of town.
sure Aranda hasn't proven he can be a successful head coach BUT NEITHER HAS ED ORGERON.
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Moreover, Coach Aranda doesn't want to be a head coach
please link me to this wild and bullshite claim that Aranda doesnt want to be a head coach
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He says he loves Coach O, likes working for him, likes being here, and wants to be just like Coach Ensminger.
yeah I'm sure he dream of being a career position coach
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Moreover, if Coach O wouldn't have been hired by Alleva and another coach had been hired in his place, not only would we have lost that outstanding recruiting class
wait, you've repeatedly said LSU recruits itself when anyone mentioned Miles being a good recruiter but now that that doesn't fit your argument lsu doesnt recruit itself?
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So we would have ended up losing Coach Dave Aranda as well.
not if we offered him the head coaching position. if we hire Dave aranda we for sure have the defensive side of the ball on lock during his tenure.
hiring ed orgeron doesn't lock up any side of the ball
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Yet these mentally handicapped losers can't stop vilifying and demonizing Joe Alleva for hiring Coach O
that's what happens when you hire a 55 year old career dline coach that has never run a successful offense,defense,or program.
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who is very well qualified to be the head coach here
for 29 of his 32 year career no ad has thought enough of his coaching to give him a coordinator's position yet he all of the sudden is qualified to be a head coach in the most talent rich division of the most talent rich conference? bullshite.
you would be destroying another sec program if they had hired a dline coach that has never run a successful defense let alone a successful program.
no one was offering ed orgeron a coordinator position. no one. he was sitting on his arse when Miles called him.
it's amazing how you deem miles a shite coach for not getting any head coaching offers in the last 9 months but it's been a decade since anyone offered ed orgeron a head coaching position.
let's just hope Ed Orgeron quites his detractors.
This post was edited on 7/31/17 at 12:52 am
Posted on 7/30/17 at 11:04 pm to Madking
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In the first couple pages of this thread someone said 9-3 is unacceptable. This thread hasn't had ppl arguing over predictions much but the threads that do have a lot of ppl echoing that mentality.
imo he gets 3 years unless we have a losing season. We hired him so we have to commit to him for at least a recruiting cycle or you basically handicapp him in recruiting and open up the possibility of negative recruiting by other programs saying LSU isnt committed to their head coach.
This post was edited on 7/31/17 at 12:50 am
Posted on 7/30/17 at 11:09 pm to Madking
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That's not true Miles wasn't expected to win 11 or more games every year. Since Mett left there hasn't been a season where I and most normal ppl expected more than 9 win
well 2014 we had massive inexperience on both defense and offense.
none of our skill position players had more than a couple games started. We started the 2nd most freshmen of any P5 program and played the most 1st time starters in the sec.
2015 I expected 10 wins.
2016 was supposed to be our year. I'll never forgive FKing for overruling Alleva and keeping miles after the 2015 season. if we fire miles after the end of the 2015 season then we have a real coaching search and Alleva doesnt give the job to an unqualified candidate.
the lsu administration and miles robbed us of what should have been a special season.
This post was edited on 7/31/17 at 12:50 am
Posted on 7/31/17 at 12:04 am to Madking
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9-3 is unacceptable.
I consider it a failure..but it's going to an explosion of suck to get him fired after 1 year.
Even if you agree with taking the big risk of hiring O, we still screwed ourselves incredibly with the buyout.
We would be paying Les and O Like $8m per year to not coach.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 12:30 am to Rickdaddy4188
The reason I didn't was because of our QB and Oline in all of those years. I did think Harris would turn the corner in year 3 but the way the Oline was set up promised for trouble. LF7s freshman season we had Collins and Alexander on the left side and could run it on anybody including Bama that year. When he decided to take Alexander and move him to Right tackle the next season I knew we'd be in trouble. He could easily covered him with Hawkins or Pocic and wedve still had a dominant side to run behind. When the line was shuffled I believe that killed any chance of us being able to play the way Miles wanted too and even if Hartis had evolved it would've taken an incredible season from him to get to 10 wins or more.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 12:33 am to SportTiger1
Why would it be a failure? We have 5 SEC road games and the extra game isn't at Vandy it's in the swamp and we traded Missou for Tenn also on the road. We are replacing the best back in school history our only olineman of note both ILBs a 4 year starter and all American caliber corner an all American safety our top WR a 4 year starter and 2 pros on the dline and top 2 tight ends. We also had 3 WRs and a number of other contributors up and leave. We lose players every year but I'd challenge you to find a year where we've lost that much and won 10 games the next season. It can happen we have a chance but I don't see how it's a failure if it doesn't.
This post was edited on 7/31/17 at 12:42 am
Posted on 7/31/17 at 1:08 am to Madking
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our only olineman of note
clapp and boutte made an all sec team
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We lose players every year but I'd challenge you to find a year where we've lost that much
2007 we lost JRuss(one of the most productive qb in lsu history), Laron Landry, D.Bowe,Buster davis
2011 we lost PP( all American), Kelvin Sheppard( all American),Drake Nevis(1st team all sec coacges and ap all sec teams),Stevan Ridley(1st team sec),
Joseph barksdale( 2nd team all sec).
2013 lost mingo,montgomery,reid,Bennie logan,tharold Simon,lavar edwards,Kevin minter,were
so we've won 10 games after losing lots of talent before. and again, I'm not saying fire him if doesnt win 10 games but the season is a failure, imo anyway.
but I do agree we have lost a bunch of talent from last year.
This post was edited on 7/31/17 at 1:12 am
Posted on 7/31/17 at 1:24 am to Rickdaddy4188
That's a little misleading, neither Boutte nor Clapp were first teamers Boutte wasn't even second team and I'm pretty sure Kelvin Sheppard wasn't an All American. Boutte and Clapp are not on Pocics level not even close they weren't even full time starters. And of the teams you used as examples 4 was the greatest number of players we lost off those teams. We lost over 11 key guys from last years roster so that isn't really an equal comparison either. The only season that's even close to comparable to what we lost off of last years team is 07 and it's still not as many guys. We went 8-5 the following season. So unless coach O does something never before done at LSU this seaon it's a failure... That's exactly what I mean when I say O is being treated unfairly.
This post was edited on 7/31/17 at 1:55 am
Posted on 7/31/17 at 2:41 am to Madking
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That's a little misleading, neither Boutte nor Clapp were first teamers
clapp was 1st team all sec( coaches)
boutte was 2nd team all sec( ap)
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Boutte and Clapp are not on Pocics level
I didn't say they were but they are note worthy returning olineman.
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2013 lost mingo,montgomery,reid,Bennie logan,tharold Simon,lavar edwards,Kevin minter,ware
imo this is way more than we lost this past year.
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We lost over 11 key guys from last years roster so that isn't really an equal comparison either
I'm pretty sure you wouldnt be taking this logical stance if miles were still the coach.
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So unless coach O does something never before done at LSU this seaon it's a failure..
if miles were here it would be the same standard. not winning 10 games at lsu is a failure.
you were right about Sheppard. he was all sec. I think I was thinking of minter.
I'm not saying fire O if he doesnt win 10 games but a 9 win season at lsu is a failure.
and again I agree we lost a lot of talent.
I'm done for the night big dog.
This post was edited on 7/31/17 at 2:45 am
Posted on 7/31/17 at 3:37 am to Rickdaddy4188
Where to start.. Not even gonna get into the all sec crap because there are tons of different teams. Wiki has Clapp as the 4th guard and Bouttte as the 6th guard on the all sec team. We didn't lose more in 2012 you gave the names of a backup de and a backup running back who never saw close to 200 carries in a season and only topped 100 carries once was losing more than Leonard Fournette and other STARTERS!! The players you named didn't makeup half of the production we lost this season. 2012 players you named (367 yards 2 Tds) defense (276 tackles 23 sacks) players from this season I named (843 yards 8tds) defense (482 tackles 19 sacks). Your other statements are totally untrue and unwarranted. I have never said Miles was required to win 10 games per year in fact I've said literally dozens of times if not hundreds that 10 wins means nothing and that seasons are all different and judged on their own circumstances. You're being lazy using cookie cutter blanket statements that are untrue. Dunno why you do that it comes off as preprogrammed rhetoric.
This post was edited on 7/31/17 at 5:00 am
Posted on 7/31/17 at 7:24 am to atltiger6487
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You can't use interim wins in your calculation. An interim head coach uses the prior coach's players, coaches, scheme, etc. It's not his program, where he's responsible for EVERYTHING in the program. An interim's primary job is to keep the team intact emotionally. Admittedly, O did a good job as interim, in both cases, but it's nowhere near the same as being permanent head coach.
Hell, if Saban died and they made me the interim HC, I'd have a very good record.
Kind of like Miles inheriting Saban's players, infrastructure and offensive coordinator.
I think Orgeron gets credit for his interim stints at USC and LSU. There's a lot turmoil, disappointment, uncertainty when a new coach steps in, not to mention loss of motivation after having all your lofty preseason goals destroyed early in the year.
Dabo Sweeny was out of coaching for two years before he became Clemson's WR coach for 6 seasons. He went 4-2 as interim after Bowden was fired and got the gig. He now has 6 straight 10 win seasons and a NC. That streak began after a 6-7 season. He obviously learned from that year.
Orgeron is not the same guy he was 10 years ago. Oh yeah, BTW, he almost pulled off a major upset of Miles 2006 team with a far less talented team than LSU,. For most of the game he outcoached Miles but lost in OT thanks to a miracle comeback which included a 4th and goal with seconds remaining. That OM squad shouldn't have been in the same galaxy with LSU.
Also, Miles was almost as unpopular hire in 2004 as Orgeron in 2016.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 8:44 am to Rickdaddy4188
Rd. Honestly didn't read. Didn't have to, he says same thing every day.
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