re: Just keep the damn thing and let it collapse

Assuming republicans have "control" of the senate when the "control" depends on Collins and a half a dozen like her is your first mistake.

The problem is the senate is almost half monolithic kooks who will not work on anything useful.

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actually i get my insurance through my employer as do 166mm of my fellow americans. perhaps you should get off massa guberments plantation and try getting a job with benefits.

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And you policy provisions are defined by the minimum benefits allowed by law, just like your auto insurance.

What some of y'all don't realize is that the insurance industry, without any regulations as to the content and mandatory coverages of policies, will write and sell insurance which doesn't actually insure anything.

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The headline practically writes itself: "Healthcare collapses under Republicans"

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i completely understand the optics/PR issues the GOP faces, but you have to be a complete idiot or partisan to believe that

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It only collapses if Republicans sabotage it.

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hasn't happened yet and the ACHA looks DOA so no sabotage is on the horizon

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You bought it, now you own it.

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this applies to the DEMs

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Let it collapse and the Dems still OWN IT.

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Yep. The last quarter of some of the 2016 Fed deficit monies were related to propping up the ACA.
Let it crash and burn and get the government out of the insurance business.

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the DEMs created a shitty piece of legislation with what essentially amounts to a kill switch to keep it alive

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Agreed. Obamacare is too complex a set of laws that tries to control what private insurers can do. I was a proponent of a single payer system as a consolidation of all government subsidized care that operates alongside the private insurance market.

However single payer is a dirty word in the US even though Medicare is basically single payer for old people. We already have single payer embedded in our complex web of healthcare programs

BamaAtl's argument is that the largest piece of legislation in the history of the US required constant "tweaking" and additional funding over time to keep it running, which speaks to the underlying issues with the law itself (but she tries to paint the issues as "Republican sabotage" instead of owning the ACA as is)

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However single payer is a dirty word in the US even though Medicare is basically single payer for old people. We already have single payer embedded in our complex web of healthcare programs

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i agree, and i could be sympathetic for a dual system if the DEMs hadn't shown their colors with the ACA

a "single payer" option (which would have to absorb the VA, Medicare, and Medicaid) would require STRICT limits on regulatory expansion and spending. the DEMs have shown that even with a much lesser system, they can't do either

this is a "fool me once..." scenario

Not going to happen.

Medicare didn't collapse
Medicaid didn't collapse
Social Security didn't collapse

Basically they will trudge along until the Dems come back into power and "fix" them by raising taxes.

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BamaAtl's argument is that the largest piece of legislation in the history of the US required constant "tweaking" and additional funding over time to keep it running

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No, it's that Republicans constant sabotage in the form of unhelpful 'tweaks' is causing uncertainty and hurting the program.

See: not enforcing the individual mandate, and not paying the agreed-upon CSR payments.