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What is the history behind La tech and ULM not playing more often?
Posted on 7/12/17 at 9:08 am
Posted on 7/12/17 at 9:08 am
It seems incredible to me that a fairly natural rivalry has only met 42 times and once since 2000. Is this just La tech think ULM is below them? Sort of their way of Not wanting to legitimize a school they are recruiting against Or is there more a political story to this?
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Posted on 7/12/17 at 9:19 am to Dire Wolf
I'd imagine it's because neither school makes as much money playing against each other as they would against Michigan or USC
Posted on 7/12/17 at 9:25 am to Dire Wolf
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It seems incredible to me that a fairly natural rivalry has only met 42 times and once since 2000. Is this just La tech think ULM is below them? Sort of their way of Not wanting to legitimize a school they are recruiting against Or is there more a political story to this?
ULM is below half of FCS
Posted on 7/12/17 at 9:38 am to athenslife101
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neither school makes as much money playing against each other as they would against Michigan or USC
ULM going back a number of years will play 3 big name/P5 schools every year and fills the 4th spot with a Nicholls/Grambling type game. No reason why they couldn't play LA Tech in that slot. But in reality, Tech has too little to gain for it to make sense for them.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 9:45 am to athenslife101
That excuse can't be used. Tech has played SLU, Nicholls, Grambling, Southern, ULL, Central Arkansas and NSU all in the last decade.
I am in the minority of Tech fans and think they should play twice and get it over with, it won't have to happen after that. Just for the atmosphere. It was great when we played ULL.
I am in the minority of Tech fans and think they should play twice and get it over with, it won't have to happen after that. Just for the atmosphere. It was great when we played ULL.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 11:26 am to Dire Wolf
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Is this just La tech think ULM is below them?
There was a big deal a few years back about why they don't play between both AD's. I think the Tech AD made some comments at a booster event in Monroe about why Tech was in another class than ULM and of course, that got back to the powers at be at ULM. Not sure if those comments were kick started again over the whole deal with the Independence Bowl fiasco when Tech was waiting on a better invite when ULM would have been their opponent in that game but the invite never came for Tech. They ended up sitting at home.
I have no doubt it would be a good draw but I doubt it would be that lucrative outside of maybe an increase in ticket sales. I doubt neither fanbase would stay in either Ruston or Monroe so I doubt there would be much money brought in to either local economy. Plus, Tech has this mentality as stated above that they have lapped ULM and getting a loss to them would impact their recruiting so there really is not much incentive for Tech to really pursue this game. I am sure there are more behind the scenes factors at play with why they don't play but I bet this is the primary factor, plus both sides generally don't like each other so I doubt they want to hook up anyway.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 11:40 am to MWP
I was at Tech a couple years ago when they had Northwestern there for the first time in forever, they had a big crowd and everyone seemed to enjoy it.
Until NSU won the game, of course.
Until NSU won the game, of course.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 11:50 am to Dire Wolf
Tech has a high opinion of itself. They have this idea that they have nothing to gain and a lot to lose with a ULM game. That is, is they win, no big deal, but if they lose, they're destroyed. The truth is that Louisiana Tech wins 2/3 of these games historically, and nobody will ever expect anything better than that from Tech.
Oh, and the Sun Belt is actually a better football conference than CUSA.
Oh, and the Sun Belt is actually a better football conference than CUSA.
This post was edited on 7/12/17 at 11:58 am
Posted on 7/12/17 at 12:03 pm to JukeLeft
Was hilarious when tech turned down the independence bowl cause they thought they were too good to play ulm and it ended up being their only invitation
Posted on 7/12/17 at 12:20 pm to Sugarloaf
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Oh, and the Sun Belt is actually a better football conference than CUSA.
It absolutely has been more fun lately. Both the conferences get raided for their successful coaches so each school lives hire to hire.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 12:30 pm to The Mad Fratter
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Was hilarious when tech turned down the independence bowl
That was pretty comical but the Tech die-hards will go to their graves saying that the invite was coming and that's why they couldn't accept. All I know is that jake-leg move pizzed the Indy Bowl off as well as the rationale Tech fan base that actually felt bad for the players that missed out on that extra practice time. Plus, they probably would have skull drug ULM since half their team was sick or some shite during that game from the flu. Needless to say, Tech came out of that deal looking like idiots but that still doesn't diminish the fact that Tech is miles ahead of ULM in football, and generally every other sport outside of water skiing.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 12:39 pm to The Mad Fratter
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Was hilarious when tech turned down the independence bowl cause they thought they were too good to play ulm and it ended up being their only invitation
Never gets old..... And I do root for Tech to do well athletically. I also like the back and forth between Tech and ULL last year when Tech whipped them. Nothing is better than delusional ULL fans
Posted on 7/12/17 at 12:39 pm to Dire Wolf
quote:Good point
It absolutely has been more fun lately. Both the conferences get raided for their successful coaches so each school lives hire to hire.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 12:42 pm to MWP
How different would Tech's status as a football program be right now if they'd played ULM every year since 1994 when ULM moved up? Let's play the historical percentages and assume Tech goes 16-8 in the last 24 meetings. Are Tech's hopes and dreams of beating Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl on a Statue of Liberty play dashed forever because of those eight ULM losses?
Posted on 7/12/17 at 12:42 pm to Sugarloaf
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Oh, and the Sun Belt is actually a better football conference than CUSA.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 12:43 pm to Sugarloaf
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Tech has a high opinion of itself. They have this idea that they have nothing to gain and a lot to lose with a ULM game. That is, is they win, no big deal, but if they lose, they're destroyed.
Absolutely true.
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Oh, and the Sun Belt is actually a better football conference than CUSA.
I attended a game in New Orleans a year or so ago where the outright Sun Belt champ was run off the field by the 5th place team in CUSA. I would agree that the bottom of CUSA is worse than the Sun Belt. I also think the middle of the pack is even to slightly favored to the Sun Belt. The top of CUSA is more comparable to the top of the AAC or MWC. The bottom 8-10 teams is absolutely a fair comparison to the MAC and Sun Belt and probably below them, but the top 4 or so any given year in CUSA is in a different spectrum.
When the rivalry was played when I lived in the area what I saw was diminishing excitement and interest. I remember Malone being packed and a great energy before the game in 98 before everyone left at halftime because it was a blowout. I remember it being similar in Ruston the next year before heading back down I20 in the early part of the 3rd quarter because it was a blowout. Then in 2000 I remember no one wanting to leave the tailgate and Tech fans outnumbering the home side 3 to 1 inside Malone in another blowout.
I think they should play as do most of the guys I know still in the area or who attended either school, but not yearly. It should be a home and home every six years or so just to get the boosters to pack the stadium unless Viator can make the games competitive.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 12:49 pm to Sugarloaf
I have found myself watching a lot more G-5 in the past few seasons since I've graduated and moved out of BR so I only make 6 or so games a year.
The American was awesome to watch last year. The talent pools for each school is so wildly different that it makes for interesting scheme matchups See: Navy-Houston
Funbelt is basically SEC minor as far as location goes and the recruits sort of reflect that.
C-USA is basically all-metro schools now. Schools like UNT or UTSA are a huge boom or bust spots. I really like Frank Wilson, I think a coach like that could do big things at this level.
The American was awesome to watch last year. The talent pools for each school is so wildly different that it makes for interesting scheme matchups See: Navy-Houston
Funbelt is basically SEC minor as far as location goes and the recruits sort of reflect that.
C-USA is basically all-metro schools now. Schools like UNT or UTSA are a huge boom or bust spots. I really like Frank Wilson, I think a coach like that could do big things at this level.
This post was edited on 7/12/17 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 7/12/17 at 12:53 pm to Rabbs and QStick
2017
Head to head: Sun Belt 2, CUSA 2
Total OOC: Sun Belt 22-28, CUSA 24-35.
The Sun Belt is better than CUSA. Just count.
Head to head: Sun Belt 2, CUSA 2
Total OOC: Sun Belt 22-28, CUSA 24-35.
The Sun Belt is better than CUSA. Just count.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:02 pm to Sugarloaf
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2017
Can you give me the World Series winner from your sports almanac Marty so I can make some $$$$ off Vegas?
Since 2014 (When the conference shakeups settled some) CUSA is 11-3 against the Sun Belt. So 2016 appears to be the exception, not the rule.
This post was edited on 7/12/17 at 1:04 pm
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:05 pm to Sugarloaf
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How different would Tech's status as a football program be right now if they'd played ULM every year since 1994 when ULM moved up?
Probably about the same since I think the Tech series would probably be even more favorable to Tech from a W-L perspective since ULM has been dreadful in football for most of those years.
I was never a fan of NLU moving up in '94. They were a successful program less than a decade from winning a NC. They could have continued on that route with good success but they realized that the money to fund the rest of the athletic department was in playing the big boys in Div 1 and they sure weren't getting that missing revenue from the boosters. The problem is they play the money games and get their arses handed to them and get beat up with zero depth to play their regular conference games. Then they lose and the fans sit at home and watch LSU. I promise you if ULM never moved up, they would be contending for the Southland year in and year out, and probably be putting much more bodies in the seats as well as getting more money out of boosters since everybody loves a winner. Plus, they could still get a money game.
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