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re: To those who think Solo is Grossly Overpaid
Posted on 7/6/17 at 6:12 pm to Lesmilesdoesntfloss
Posted on 7/6/17 at 6:12 pm to Lesmilesdoesntfloss
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Last years salary cap was 94.14m this years is 99m...I think it's definitely fair to compare a deal from last year to a deal made this year...
Last year there was a billion dollars in free agency, this year there is a third of that.
Context.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 6:13 pm to P bean
a starter on 34-48 team? lol ok dude
Dante cunningham, Norris Cole and alonzo gee were starters 2 seasons ago too? is that how you're going to play this?
we have different definitions of what as starting caliber player is. Hill is backup on 25 teams in the league
it just so happens the 2 seasons he has started as a pro have been his worst of his career
Dante cunningham, Norris Cole and alonzo gee were starters 2 seasons ago too? is that how you're going to play this?
we have different definitions of what as starting caliber player is. Hill is backup on 25 teams in the league
it just so happens the 2 seasons he has started as a pro have been his worst of his career
This post was edited on 7/6/17 at 6:14 pm
Posted on 7/6/17 at 6:28 pm to P bean
He plays starters minutes, but he's one of the worst starters in the league
Posted on 7/6/17 at 6:28 pm to Lester Earl
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we have different definitions of what as starting caliber player is. Hill is backup on 25 teams in the league
So what you're saying is he's a starting caliber player?
I would think the definition of a starting quality player is someone that would start in one of the league's available starting positions no?
Posted on 7/6/17 at 6:46 pm to Lester Earl
Dude, Hill is a starter who played in 82 games, 29 minutes per game. Not a parttime starter like Cole, Cunningham.
But for context purposes Cole abd Cunningham played here at 3 million a year, before the new cap. With the new cap those types of players are getting more like 7 million.
Face it. Basketball players get paid. Backups get 7 - 10 million a year.
But for context purposes Cole abd Cunningham played here at 3 million a year, before the new cap. With the new cap those types of players are getting more like 7 million.
Face it. Basketball players get paid. Backups get 7 - 10 million a year.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 6:52 pm to Pendulum
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So what you're saying is he's a starting caliber player?
No, he's a guy that can start by default on a few teams because they have no one else.
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Backups get 7 - 10 million a year.
And $12mil per year, but you're ok with that
Posted on 7/6/17 at 7:00 pm to Lester Earl
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No, he's a guy that can start by default on a few teams because they have no one else.
So.... by that sentiment, there are teams that have 2 starting caliber SF's. so him being 24th in RPM would then point to him being starting caliber for more than 6 of them, since you know there are 30 teams, and they all have a starting 3. So what percentage of starting positions would you have to be startable over the current starter the team is starting instead? Rofl; the ridiculousness is overflowing in this thread.
Someone needs to tell the NBA they have too many team marching out less than 5 guys at the beginning of games. The crack detective Lester Earl is unearthing some revolutionary thinking here.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 7:16 pm to Pendulum
You are the only person here that thinks you are booming me right now
Posted on 7/6/17 at 7:26 pm to Lester Earl
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Hill is a guy you sign to fill out your roster. It sucks to have a dude like this making this kind of money which inhibits us from addressing a bigger need. The Pels bought the dude like he was the missing piece to a championship team
Who should they have signed with his $12M that would have come here and provided 2-4 defensive versatility?
Posted on 7/6/17 at 7:28 pm to Lester Earl
Sounds like something someone with no logical response to someone calling them out on a ridiculous claim would say.
I'm surprised you didn't just dig in and keep going. I was fully expecting you to start explaining to me that there is less starting caliber players than starting spots which is intrinsically moronic.
I accept your surrender.
I'm surprised you didn't just dig in and keep going. I was fully expecting you to start explaining to me that there is less starting caliber players than starting spots which is intrinsically moronic.
I accept your surrender.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 7:42 pm to Pendulum
youre saying that every player to start a game are equal & you want a logical response?
Tell me, what are your hopes for our great starting SF this year. Can he eclipse the elusive & paltry 40% mark ? Will he miss more layups?
Tell me, what are your hopes for our great starting SF this year. Can he eclipse the elusive & paltry 40% mark ? Will he miss more layups?
Posted on 7/6/17 at 7:50 pm to NOFOX
Foxy, the mismanagement of this team does not start with Solomon Hill. There are moves made (or not made) previously that could have shaped this franchise differently. Ya that's easy to say but it could have started with simple things like getting something for Gordon & Anderson before they walked.
As for last years FA class, we land Lin (3/36?) and we don't have to pay Holliday this year & we have cash to have flexibility. Adding a guy like Hill is an icing on the cake move. It's not a move that should have been rushed in to coming off a fricking 30 win season.
How do you find guys like him? We'll you keep draft picks even if late in draft. You hang on to guys like James Ennis when he shows he is nba caliber. You add pieces from guys that are expiring even if it isn't a HR and means taking on a role player or 2.
As for last years FA class, we land Lin (3/36?) and we don't have to pay Holliday this year & we have cash to have flexibility. Adding a guy like Hill is an icing on the cake move. It's not a move that should have been rushed in to coming off a fricking 30 win season.
How do you find guys like him? We'll you keep draft picks even if late in draft. You hang on to guys like James Ennis when he shows he is nba caliber. You add pieces from guys that are expiring even if it isn't a HR and means taking on a role player or 2.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 8:04 pm to Lester Earl
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youre saying that every player to start a game are equal
No, I in no way said this or insinuated this.
You can try to turn your strawman dial down and try again if you'd like. I'll wait. You could also quote where I said anything close to this.
You say he isn't a starting caliber player, I say that's ridiculous, he is certainly and obviously a nba starting quality player. He starts, and he's performs better than 30 other SF's. What parameters could you possibly create where solomon hill isn't a "starting caliber player"
Posted on 7/6/17 at 8:08 pm to Pendulum
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He starts, and he's performs better than 30 other SF's
You have low standards.
Actually, none at all if that is your criteria
Posted on 7/6/17 at 8:09 pm to Lester Earl
Oh I agree with the consistent mismanagement of the team and poor use of assets in an attempt to build quickly instead of progressing naturally with AD. The utter lack of any development of any players throughout AD's tenure is absurd. You need to develop your own cheap talent and create assets. I have been one of the biggest critics of Dell through the years.
However I think of all the moves Dell has made, overpaying Hill is among the less offensive considering cap space is inherently less valuable here since you have to greatly overpay any real players who would even consider this market. Flexibility is really only meaningful if you can get players to sign or want to take on others people's trash for assets. When Q-Pon passed, we needed a SF. Hill was a good versatile defender with tools to be a good offensive player if he can ever figure it out who was willing to play in New Orleans. It was a worthwhile gamble. Didn't pan out year one in that he was very good on defense, but a non factor on offense. I think he deserves another year in the system to see what he can do with a stable rotation.
However I think of all the moves Dell has made, overpaying Hill is among the less offensive considering cap space is inherently less valuable here since you have to greatly overpay any real players who would even consider this market. Flexibility is really only meaningful if you can get players to sign or want to take on others people's trash for assets. When Q-Pon passed, we needed a SF. Hill was a good versatile defender with tools to be a good offensive player if he can ever figure it out who was willing to play in New Orleans. It was a worthwhile gamble. Didn't pan out year one in that he was very good on defense, but a non factor on offense. I think he deserves another year in the system to see what he can do with a stable rotation.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 8:20 pm to Not Cooper
Solo is a league average player on a now league average deal. If he's our 5th best guy (not yet), we're in good shape. I still think we need to put an Avery Bradley type next to him so he can fully embrace the Tony Allen role. He has more impact than you think
Posted on 7/6/17 at 8:37 pm to Lester Earl
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You have low standards.
Actually, none at all if that is your criteria
I would think those are the normal standards to being considered a starting caliber player.
There are 30 teams, 30 starters of each position, if you are one of the 30 best players at a certain position, you are a starting caliber player. It's not about "my standards", it's about the understanding of wtf "starting caliber" means.
This post was edited on 7/6/17 at 8:39 pm
Posted on 7/6/17 at 8:44 pm to Pendulum
17 teams finished .500 or worse. Half of the NBA is bad & you over here talmbout everyone starting is starting caliber.
Your standards are shite & you are out of your element here
Your standards are shite & you are out of your element here
Posted on 7/6/17 at 8:47 pm to Lester Earl
Apparently you don't understand what the difference is between a player who is starting and a player who is playing 15 minutes a game. fricking dumbass.
Iman Shumpert makes 10 million a year to be a backup. Lin gets 12 million to be a scorer off the bench.
Figure it out morons. NBA players get paid a lot of money back ups included.
Iman Shumpert makes 10 million a year to be a backup. Lin gets 12 million to be a scorer off the bench.
Figure it out morons. NBA players get paid a lot of money back ups included.
This post was edited on 7/6/17 at 8:54 pm
Posted on 7/6/17 at 8:49 pm to Lester Earl
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you over here talmbout everyone starting is starting caliber.
Again, never said this. Strawman dial still too high lester.
I'll leave what I did say here:
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There are 30 teams, 30 starters of each position, if you are one of the 30 best players at a certain position, you are a starting caliber player
So if being a starter on a higher than .500 team is the requirement to being "starter caliber" then you do have a different definition of "starting caliber" than most intelligent people. Guess AD isn't starter caliber then; by "your standards".
This post was edited on 7/6/17 at 8:53 pm
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